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Ik vindt dat mijn wagen stationair beter kan en moet lopen, momenteel heeft ie de neiging in toeren te zakken tot 550. Niet altijd maar soms. Kan betekenen dat ie wil afslaan. Of s'morgens slecht wil aanslaan.

Is een 2.0E. Met Lamba.
Motor: 102.962

Deze gegevens van de LMM zijn van een 102.961 Weet niet of dat heel veel verschil maakt.

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Haal ik de stekker hiervan los en ga rijden is dit over, zal wel een nood-loop zijn en stationair is dan +/- 1000 toeren.

Ik heb de LMM-potmeter doorgemeten maar heb hierover de vraag:

Volgens het werkboek moet de bovenste pin en onderste pin een waarde van 4,0 Kilo Ohm hebben +/- 800 Ohm.

Ik meet 4,09 Kilo Ohm dus dat is goed (schijf is in nul positie)

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Daarna moet je de bovenste en de middelste meten, en de waarde wordt hier alleen in OHMS vermeld en daar begin ik te twijfelen. Waarde volgens boek moet zijn 700 +/- 140 OHM

Hier meet ik 3,15 Kilo ohm ipv Ohm ?????? (schijf in nul positie)

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Daarna de meting van wederom de bovenste en de middelste, en deze waarde wordt vermeld in Kilo Ohm
met de schijf naar beneden. Hier zou de waarde moeten zijn 4,7 Kilo Ohm +/- 940 OHM, en ik meet 8,57 Kilo Ohm ??????

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Mijn conclusie (maar met die Ohms en Kilo Ohms gaat het me even mis) hij is defect. Maar ik zou gaarne van jullie je mening weten.

Sorry mijn auto heeft dat niet 'n Lambda-Sonde.

Maar mijn motor uit 1995 wel, deze was na 97000km versleten.
Volgens de monteur zou je die alleen met 'n analoge multimeter kunnen meten.
Zodra de uitslag kleiner wordt dan 0,5 volt, is hij versleten, nieuwe geeft ± 4 volt aan
De wijzer van de analoge meter moet 'n vloeiende beweging laten zien, gaat niet met digitale.

mvg Nico

Ik heb precies dezelfde waarde gevonden in het handboek:
Klem 14 en 18: Gesloten klep: 4,0 KOhm +-800 Ohm
Klem 17 en 18: Gesloten klep: 700 Ohm +- 140 Ohm
Klem 17 en 18: Klep in beweging: 4,7 KOhm +- 940 Ohm

Dus het enige wat ik kan toevoegen is er zeker van zijn of de pennen juist zijn met meten.
En wat me wel opvalt, is dat er op het laatste 'klep in beweging' staat, dus dat betekent niet vol open..
Dus een beetje spelen met de klep onder het meten geeft misschien een iets ander resultaat.

Trouwens als de auto op gas bijna afslaat, ligt het dus niet aan het benzinesysteem, omdat dit er los van staat.
Ik neem aan dat dit is met benzine?
Succes ermee!

Het is een potmeter van rond de 4kohm. Die van jouw 4,09 = goed.
De op de middelste pin kan je de weestand meten.
Slaat de potmeter helemaal maximaal uit meet je dus pin 2 en 1: 0 ohm en tussen 2 en 3 dan 4,09 kohm (of net anders om)

Dus 8kohm meten is verkeers, ja kan immer niet meer meten dan de max waarde van je potmeter. Of je moet versleten/vuil inzitten wat de waarde verhoogt.

@Nico190E: Volgens het handboek (werkplaats-handboek Merceds is het Ohms).

Heb even en foto van het handboek gemaakt.

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@LloydGeenen: Oke, dan zijn bovenstaande gegevens dus correct.

Update: denk dat je de pennen 18 met pennen 14 verwisseld hebt.


Maar dit gaat over het lopen inderdaad op benzine. Alles moet perfect zijn. En inderdaad heb ik de pennen
diverse malen er tegen gehouden. Maar dit zijn de meest vaste gegevens die ik heb gemeten.

@Wiersma: Kijk even naar deze foto, zal hem ook bij de openings-topic zetten. Ik heb het zo uitgevoerd.
Kijk eens naar de gegevens opnieuw.

Het is duidelijk een potmeter, en je meet verkeerde waarden.
14 - 18 is de totale weerstand van de "spoel" en 17 is de loper eroverheen.
meet je op 14 - 17 en de loper zit precies in het midden meet je de helft van de totale weerstand.

waarden als 8,57 kohm is niet goed.
Je kan eens proberen om het kastje eraf te halen en schoon te maken.
Er kan wel wat slijpsel van de loper op de sporen zijn gekomen.

in dichte stand rond de 700 ohm.
Als je de klep gaat indrukken moet de weerstand oplopen tot je maximaal indrukt mag je weerstand tussen de 3,8-5,6 kohm liggen.

@/wiersma: oke, maar dan heb ik dus wel de goede procedure uitgvoerd. Maar dan betekend het dat hij of vuil is of overleden.

Kijken of ik hem morgen eraf kan halen. Anders wordt het een nieuwe, van bosch helaas niet te krijgen.
Dan maar een imi. Maar liever eerste uitproberen. Kijken of er iemand een heeft liggen anders. Werkt het goed, kan ik altijd een nieuwe kopen.

Ik heb er nog wel een liggen, kom maar halen

Hoi Orion,

Mocht hem vervangen, neem dan direct een nieuwe. Dan weet je dus 100% zeker dat de weerstanden prima zijn.
Bosch kan je hem nog gewoon nieuw en origineel krijgen a 65 euro. Imitatie was er en was goedkoper maar is helaas niet meer te vinden die ik toen gevonden had.....

Lees op vele forums dat ie niet meer leverbaar is. Ga mijn best doen als ik er een mocht bestellen.

Nee daar ligt mij ook wel iets van bij inderdaad... Of dat hij toen kneiterduur was...
Heb er zelf toen 1 op ebay gekocht

Kom langs bij me werk zit een bosch car service in:) Volgens mij is dat ding gewoon leverbaar.. Je hebt ook Bosch Classis service in duitsland... probeer die anders eens

Gr

Bosch service dienst gebeld, en in Karlsruhe ligt er niks meer van. Dus op Ebay zoeken of imi.

Heren,

Vandaag heb ik de LMM-potmeter van de wagen gehaald. Zag er niet echt smerig uit, hele lichte slijpsporen.
Met contactspray ingespoten.

Tevens de stuwschijf opnieuw afgesteld, alsmede de OVP vervangen door een reserve. Ecu gereset.
Het resultaat is dat de wagen niet meer door dipt, gewoon netjes loopt als ie in de D staat.
In de P loopt ie te hoog stationair, zakt na het in de drive zetten, maar terug in de P weer zón 1200 toeren.

Is dit omdat ik nu op de 1 en 2e pin van de lmm nu gezakt ben in K-Ohms van 3,15 KOhms naar 1,55???

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Maar lager komt ie niet, dus denk ik toch om een nieuwe te scoren. Moet rond de 700 Ohm +/- 140 Ohm.
Is dus het dubbele, is dat dan nu ook omgekeerd het geval t.a.v. de verhoogde toeren?

Zo ziet hij van binnen uit, gaarne opmerkingen over de toestand.
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Ter info toegevoegd.
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Deze schroef, waarvoor dient deze. Voor het afstellen van de contact/sleepvingers?
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Ziet er optisch gewoon nog goed uit.
Kan ook niet anders met je KMstand...

Hoi Bobracing, klopt ziet er optisch goed uit maar is toch niet meer goed.
Heb er nu een gescoord, die doet het stukken beter maar heeft dode punten met meten.

Dus ik moet een nieuwe scoren.

Heren dank voor u medewerking.

Topic mag gesloten worden.

Vandaag een LMM potmeter ontvangen. Bezig met testen en moet zeggen, die doet wat ie moet doen.
Elk bereik mooi zonder spots en beter af te trimmen tot onder de 1000 Ohms.

Deze gegevens gemaakt aan de hand van een inlaat gedeelte wat ik reserve heb liggen.

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Meting bij stationair stand.

IMAG0683_1600x902.jpg (1.09 MiB) 5000 keer bekeken

Komt een vervolg met de resultaten wanneer deze is ingebouwd.

Mooi dat je uit de nieuwe wel de juiste metingen krijgt die je verwacht.
Dan heb je het niet verkeerd gedaan

Bedankt voor de uitleg, heb er vanmorgen gebruik van gemaakt.

Meting 1: Pin 14-18, stuwschijf in rust
Meting 2: Pin 14-17, stuwschijf in rust
Meting 3: Pin 14-17, stuwschijf max indrukken

Resultaat 1: 4.71 kilo ohm
Resultaat 2: 833 ohm
Resultaat 3: 5.6 kilo ohm

Alles oké en binnen de toleranties, maar wilde hem toch graag schoonmaken... het ging helaas niet open.

Heb een iets ander model LMM, zonder de schroefjes zoals te zien bij Orion. Op de plaatsen van de schroeven heb ik een soort gesmolten kunststof zitten Of dit origineel MB is, geen idee.
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LMM

LMM_3430591006_edit.jpg (102.03 KiB) 4933 keer bekeken

Onderdeel nummer = 3430591006

Ik hoef geen advies, het is meer een opmerking voor degene die dit ook wil doormeten. Mercedes gebruikt verschillende onderdelen, schrik er dus niet van