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Hoe je Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?! : Diesel specifiek W201

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Hoe je Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

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Hoe je Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Mercedas » 30 okt 2013, 23:03

Beste,

Zoals jullie misschien al hebben gelezen heb ik mijn carter(oliepan) door de krik kapot gemaakt. :( :(

Ik ben vandaag ''paar'' uurtjes mee bezig geweest om thuis de pan er van onder af te halen. Eindelijk na veel gedoe alle schroeven er van af kunnen halen.

Nu zit ik met het probleem dat ik hem niet er uit krijg doordat de stuurstangen en nog iets anders dat aan bijde voor wielen vast zit in de weg zitten.

Ik heb de schroeven van de motor steunen afgehaald en probeerde de motor omhoog te krikken bij de versnelling bak en daarna aan het stuk waar de dynamo vast zit aan de motor(niet aan de dynamo zelf dus. Ik vond t stevig genoeg om de motor van daar om hoog te krikken). De bedoeling was om zo de carter boven de stangen te houden om de pan makkelijk er van af te halen. Helaas kwam de motor niet hoog genoeg en was bang om de motor nog meer naar boven te krikken en dat dan ergens iets kapot ging.

Mijn vraag is dus waar kan ik de krik het beste zetten bij de motor. en hoe hoog kan ik de motor omhoog krikken(lijkt mij lastig om aan te geven, maar probeer het aub).

Of Moet ik gewoon die stuur stangen en de stang voor de carter ook afhalen om de carter er uit te kunnen krijgen zonder iets aan de middenas (triangel draagarm) te hoeven doen of er af te monteren.

De motor omhoog trekken van bovenkant lijkt mij geen optie. Ik heb ook de gereedschap er niet voor.


graag jullie ideeën.

alvast bedankt allemaal
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Mercedas » 31 okt 2013, 10:13

Hihi vandaag moet ik nog mijn carter er uit zijn! :(
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HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Hakie » 31 okt 2013, 10:47

Hoi Mercedes, het is zuur voor je wat er gebeurt is en ik leef met je mee, maar ik ben eigenlijk ook wel reuze benieuwd hoe het er allemaal uitziet.
Dus als je tijd en schone handen hebt om een een paar foto's posten zou dat leuk zijn.
Succes met de operatie!

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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Fietsensloper » 31 okt 2013, 11:53

Als hij er niet tussendoor past blijven er 2 opties over: De motor optillen, en wel via de bovenkant als ik jou was. Of de stuurstangen allemaal even los maken. Dat is meestal ook niet zoveel werk. Gewoon los slaan met een grote en een kleine hamer. Vaak tik je ze er dan zo uit ;)
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Mercedas » 31 okt 2013, 12:55

Ik denk dat ik de motor beetje omhoog moet doen daarna die stangen er af moet halen.

maar de vraag is of ik de voorste en de stuurstangen geen verdere problemen of lastige werk opleveren als ik ze verwijder.

De motor er uithalen is geen optie voor mij.
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Deze zijn de stuur stangen dacht ik
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor ScareMercy » 31 okt 2013, 13:03

Als je de stabilisatiestang (die dikke stang aan de voorkant) er even afschroeft kun je de carterpan zo over de brug in het midden schuiven en wegpakken. De stuurstangen hoeven zover ik weer niet weg gehaald te worden. Ik heb het nog nooit gehoeven in ieder geval.
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Fietsensloper » 31 okt 2013, 13:17

En mocht je die er wel af moeten halen, dan nog maakt het niet uit. Gewoon de kogels loshalen, en niet de kogels uit de stangen draaien, dan hoef je ook niet opnieuw uit te lijnen ;)
*Geld lijkt op vet. Van beide is er genoeg, maar altijd op de verkeerde plaatsen :|
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Mercedas » 31 okt 2013, 13:38

Hebben jullie misschien PDFjes voor die stangen die ik er af kan moet halen?
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Hakie » 31 okt 2013, 17:16

De stabilisator stang zit op 4 punten vast met elk 2 boutjes, moertjes en ringen. Die kan je gewoon losdraaien waarna je de stang kunt weghalen. Dan kan je meteen de 4 rubbers controleren want die willen nog wel eens te ruim zijn geworden. Die kan je eventueel later dan eens vervangen.
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Mercedas » 31 okt 2013, 18:04

Ja hoor, het is gelukt jongens.

Stabilisatorstang er af gehaald.

bok onder bij dynamo en motor gezet. zodat motor omhoog komt als ik auto laat zakken. En om ruimte te maken om carter er uit te halen.

auto beetje bij beetje omlaag gezet tot motor omhoog gezet en tussendoor ff kijken of de carter er uit wilt om de motor niet te ver omhoog te zetten zodat er iets breekt of what ever.

carter er uit over de middenas en stuurstangen(die heb ik niet er af hoeven gehaald gelukkig). Dat doe je door eerst de carter naar voren te halen en dan naar onder te bewegen. Als je dat niet doet dan blijft de carter aan de buis van oliepeil en ketting van het blok hangen. En krijg je natuurlijk dat ding er niet uit.

Motor weer laten zakken. zodat als er ergens spanning zat dat het verdwijnt. Puur voor de veiligheid en rust in mijn hoofd zodat niks kapot gaat als iets kapot mocht kunnen gaan of zo.

omdat ik nog geen carter heb. een grote zak er onder om de blok gezet zodat er geen vuil in komt.

Ik weet nu even niet hoe ik het beste de carter toch helemaal kan schoonmaken.

Ook wil ik de binnen compartiment en delen van de motor misschien even poets beurt of wat dan ook geven omdat ik nu toch ff bezig ben. Ik zit te denken om met een soort van spuitbus zoals wd40 of zo te denken, om binnen alles te spuiten zodat olie en en andere viezigheid naar beneden kan druppellen. Is dat een goed idee? :geek:

tips of dergelijk zijn welkom

Hieronder een paar foto's.

Ooops!! foto's verkeerde volgorde :oops:
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Bok onder dat ding waar dynamo en motor vast zit
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HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Hakie » 31 okt 2013, 18:37

Nou mercedas ik vind het knap wat je hebt gedaan. Ik doe je dat niet zo snel na. Over schoonmaken zou ik me niet zo druk maken. Wanneer haalt men een carter eraf.. Bijna nooit toch. Ik zou wel veel aandacht geven aan de onderste rand waar straks het andere carter tegenaan komt. Dat moet natuurlijk goed dicht zitten straks.

Edit: en leuk dat je foto's geplaatst hebt. :-)
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Orion » 31 okt 2013, 18:37

:clap: :clap: :clap: Petje af, dat je dat zo zonder brug gedaan hebt gekregen. Ik zelf zou hem afspuiten met remmenreiniger, dat wordt voor vanalles gebruikt en kan geen kwaad. Hoop voor je dat je zo snel mogelijk een carter kan scoren. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Mercedas » 31 okt 2013, 20:12

aah thanks allemaal. was best een gedoe ook. zeker de 2 bouten die aan beide kanten zitten van de carter die net onder de middenas vast zitten. Maar nu het gelukt is ben ik wel tevreden :dance:

trouwens, mij is opgevallen dat er geen carterpakking er tussen zat? hoe kan dat? Moet ik zo'n ding straks er wel tussen zetten?

Moet even denken hoe ik straks makkelijker de carter bouten terug vast kan draaien, vooral met zo'n momentsleutel kom ik moeilijk bij. Moet ik straks de bouten echt met moment sleutel gaan terug draaien of kan ik ze ook vast draaien zonder dat ding? Ik heb namelijk geen momentsleutel.

Van de buurman hoorde ik net dat ik met de olie van de olielamp ook het blok kan schoonmaken door het in te gieten via de boven kant waar je normaal olie bijvult. Alleen ik weet niet hoe gezond dat is wat betreft als het aangekoekte vuil in de motor los komt. Gaan dan de delen in de motor nier méér ruimte krijgen waardoor straks het blok naar de maan gaat??? net zoals dat gedoe met vol synthetische olie. Of kan het geen kwaad? :roll:

ps: Dit klusje was bijna hele dure klusje geworden haha. Ik was mijn gsm boven de radiator vergeten en de motorkap dicht gedaan. Ik had net de foto's ermee gemaakt.
Ik zoek nu ook een goede momentsleutel. Heeft iemand er eentje liggen die voor mooie prijsje wilt versturen?
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 31 okt 2013, 22:46

Als ik de plaatje zo zie, zit je caterpakking nog op het blok.
Ik zou wel een nieuwe pakking gebruiken, voor een 2.5 diesel: A6120140122
Ook word er wat kit gebruikt.

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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Mercedas » 01 nov 2013, 01:26

Ik wil zeker nieuwe pakking gebruiken. Moet ik de pakking kitten voor meer stevigheid en tegen t lekken van olie?! Of bedoel je kitten ipv de pakking zelf?! Lijkt mij niet handig dat kitten hoor. Stel nou bij t drukken dat er wat kit binnen de carter geperst word en tussen de binnen motor delen komt!!
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 01 nov 2013, 01:40

Staat er helaas niet bij. Alleen als ik de pakking selecteert in EPC staat er dit bij: "ADDITIONALLY SEAL WITH 0.5 G SEALING COMPOUND 002 989 45 20"

Ik heb een "vaag" vermoeden dat er een klein beetje sealing compound op je voor- en achterkant krukas beugels moet komen. Hier zitten naadjes in omdat je immer je krukas eruit kan halen.
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Ruub-ster » 01 nov 2013, 01:43

Wat Wiersma zegt inderdaad.

En die kit is sowieso handig (een beetje!) om de pakking op z'n plek te houden tijdens het terug plaatsen van je carter.
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Mercedas » 01 nov 2013, 11:32

0,5 sealing compound is de kit?! Weet niet waar die naden zitten precies wat je bedoeld? Kun je misschien op het programma paint of zo met pijltjes ff aanwijzen waar precies dan dat beetje sealing compound op moet?

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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Mercedas » 01 nov 2013, 20:02

Als ik de motor op de manier wil reinigen met atf en na ongeveer 1000km dan blijft het vuil onder in de nieuwe carterpan zitten. dat wil ik liever niet. ik dacht maybe met die olielamp olie of zo van boven gieten dan komt alles naar beneden en dat doe ik voor dat ik de nieuwe carter er onder zet.
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Re: HOE de Carter onder de motor afhalen?!?!

Berichtdoor Jelmer » 01 nov 2013, 20:15

Ik zou als ik het blok schoon zou willen hebben het reinigen met fort'e motorflush. Dit voeg je toe aan de olie (als je motor op bedrijfstemperatuur is), half uurtje stationair laten lopen en je blok is schoon. Heb wel gehad dat ik er nieuwe olie ingooide en dat het er helemaal afgewerkt weer uitkwam. Dat moet dus werken :) vaker je olie wisselen helpt niet, want olie maakt niet schoon
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