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webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Elazh001 » 14 nov 2014, 15:31

beste leden,

ik wil binnenkort een webasto standkachel gaan inbouwen in mijn Mercedes 190 2.6. heb hier geen ervaring mee, dus alle hulp is welkom.
heeft iemand hier al ervaring mee?
kan iemand die zo'n kachel al ingebouwd heeft mij helpen met foto's waar wat moet komen?

zodra ik voldoende info heb, zal ik een topic opstarten in 'projecten' en zal jullie op de hoogte houden

alvast dank voor de infomatie

Groeten Mustapha
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 14 nov 2014, 15:59

Ik zou zeggen, gebruik de zoekfunctie eens met het woord webasto
Laat je verbazen :dance:

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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Elazh001 » 17 nov 2014, 11:10

heb alles al doorgelezen, maar helaas geen antwoord op mijn vraag.

is er iemand met een 2.6 met standkachel, waar is de pomp ingebouwd etc?
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Prometheus » 17 nov 2014, 11:38

al gelezen ?
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor EmielW201 » 17 nov 2014, 19:55

Het doseerpompje zit achter. Vlakbij de brandstofpomp.
Op de foto zie je 2 gaatjes. Dat is de plek waar de bevestigingsbeugel van het doseerpompje origineel zit bij een W201 2.0 benzine.
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Elazh001 » 21 nov 2014, 22:29

Dank voor jullie reactie, ik ben vandaag op mijn werkplaats begonnen met testen van de webasto. Wil Eerst alle onderdelen afzonderlijk testen voor ik de boel ga inbouwen.
Als eerst de waterpompo: Heb 12v op Pin 1 en pin 2 van de grote stekker gezet waarna ik het pompje hoor draaien, maar het water circuleert niet. Als opstelling gewoon een emmer water genomen met beide stangen van de pomp erin.
Of zie ik iets over het hoofd?
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webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Hakie » 21 nov 2014, 23:58

Is het niet zo dat de slangen met water gevuld moeten zijn om het te laten circuleren? Maw: het zal geen zelf aanzuigende pomp zijn. Ik denk maar even hardop.
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor EmielW201 » 22 nov 2014, 00:23

Hier heb je een demo van een Webasto BBW46

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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Fietsensloper » 22 nov 2014, 00:32

Je moet zorgen dat er geen enkel luchtbelletje meer in zit want dat kleine pompje van de standkachel is niet zo goed in staat om die luchtbel eruit te drukken.
Ik heb zelf even een poosje aan de uitgaande slang gezogen terwijl de waterpomp liep. Als het eenmaal loopt blijft hij het ook wel rondpompen zolang er geen luchtbel weer in komt ;)
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Elazh001 » 22 nov 2014, 22:42

in het filmpje lijkt het alsof het waterpompje (zwart ding onder de verwarmer) niet gebruikt wordt, terwijl er water terugstroomt naar de emmer, hoe kan dat?

of gebruikt ie een ander pompje?
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor EmielW201 » 23 nov 2014, 18:02

Dat lijkt denk ik maar zo. Zonder pompje is er geen circulatie.
Er worden verschillende pompjes gebruikt voor de Webasto standkachels.
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Elazh001 » 23 nov 2014, 18:19

heb vandaag een pompje voor de ruitenwisser gebruikt en het water circuleert en de kachel werkt. conclusie is dat het ciruclatiepompje dus defekt is.

in ieder geval ben ik blij dat doseerpompje, flamsensor, en de rest in orde is.

zal binnenkort een werkende moeten vinden, zodat ik de boel kan gaan inbouwen in de auto.

mocht er iemand nog zo'n pompje hebben, dan hoor ik dat graag.
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Elazh001 » 26 nov 2014, 12:36

kan iemand svp onderstaande bevestigen of corrigeren?
ik neem aan dat de webasto aangesloten wordt op de invoerleiding van de de kachel?
dus de leiding naar de kachel los en aan de ene kant komt de invoer naar de webasto (coolwater inlet) en de uitgang van de webasto (outlet) naar de andere kant die dan vervolgens naar de kachel gaat.
of denk ik te simpel?
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Elazh001 » 27 nov 2014, 17:11

iemand nog een reactie aub?
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor EmielW201 » 27 nov 2014, 19:19

De Webasto leidingen zitten tussen de aansluiting van de cilinderkop en kachel.
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Elazh001 » 27 nov 2014, 23:08

Hoi Emiel, bedankt voor je helder plaatje. Kijkend naar het plaatje, zou de webasto ook op de retourleiding van de kachel aangesloten kunnen worden, toch? Of gaat er dan iets fout?
Ik vraag dit omdat het makkelijker is om bij de retourleiding te komen, deze is vrij zichtbaar aan de rechter kant van de motor.
Als ik naar de foto die Ruud heeft gepost, dan wordt deze leiding gebruikt, maar op deze foto is een ander type webasto te zien. Ik heb nu zelf de bbw46. Volgens mij maakt het niet zoveel uit, maar wil het zeker weten.
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor EmielW201 » 27 nov 2014, 23:30

Zoals op het plaatje te zien is zo wordt het ook af fabriek aangesloten.
Als het via een kortere weg even goed zou werken dan had Mercedes dit zelf ook wel gedaan.
Wanneer je de andere zijde gebruikt dan kan ik mij voorstellen dat het rendement lager kan uitvallen doordat er dan ook koelwater uit de radiateur deels aangezogen wordt. Met een stel koelslangen, bochten en wat koppelstukken kom je een heel eind.
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Japie » 29 nov 2014, 21:56

Je mag hem niet op de retour aansluiten.
De webasto laat het water stromen zoals het ook bij een draaiende motor gebeurd, zet je hem tussen de retour dan gaat de warmte eerst naar de motor en daarna naar de kachelradiateur.
Een koude motor zal zoveel warmte vragen dat het zeer lang zal duren voor er wat warmte naar het interieur gaat.

Sluit hem dus zo aan dat het verwarmde water eerst naar de kachelradiateur gaat en de restwarmte zal dan de motor nog iets voorverwarmen.
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor Elazh001 » 01 dec 2014, 12:20

okay, duidelijk. bedankt voor alle tips. ik zal hem op die manier gaan aansluiten.

mijn volgende vraag is:
in het elektrisch schema zie ik een schakelaar S3 voor de kachelventilator. is dit een vereiste of niet?

want ergens anders heb ik gelezen dat de stand van de kachelschakelaar altijd op 1 moet zijn, maar volgens mij draait de ventilator dan alleen bij contact.
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Re: webasto standkachel inbouwen Mercedes 190 2.6

Berichtdoor EmielW201 » 01 dec 2014, 19:29

Ik weet niet in hoeverre jouw standkachel onderdelen compleet zijn maar het hoort een relais bij te zetten om de kachel ventilator in te schakelen. De Webasto control unit zorgt voor aansturing van het relais (K6 in schema).
Het relais heeft dan een ingang voor +12 volt (via 16Amp zekering op de accu) en een ingang(in rust) voor de draad die de kachelweerstand (stand 1) onderbreekt. De uitgang gaat dan naar de kachelweerstand (stand 1).
Het maakt dan niet uit in welke stand de schakelaar staat want bij inschakelen van de standkachel zal de kachel ventilator automatisch aan en uit gaan.

De draad van de kachelweerstand kun je losnemen bij de kachelweerstand connector aan de rechterzijde (passagierszijde) onder het dashboard. Kachelweerstand (stand 1)= Groen/blauwe draad.

Switch S3 is ervoor om de circulatiepomp te laten draaien als je de kachel van de auto zelf wil inschakelen.
De circulatiepomp moet namelijk voor de 'normale' kachel ook draaien omdat anders de weerstand in het circuit te groot is voor een goede doorstroming
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