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Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

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Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Leonard97 » 11 jan 2018, 21:10

Hallo allemaal,

Ik heb in het forum al een beetje lopen zoeken, maar ik kan geen oplossing vinden. Mijn auto sloeg een maand geleden af en rijdt sinds die tijd al niet meer.

Ik had al eerder last van wat haperen en slecht starten. Toen heb ik hem langs de dealer gebracht en die kon niks vinden, ze hebben de auto uitgelezen. Toen ik heb terug kreeg deed hij het perfect, maar 3 weken later deed hij niks meer.

Er zat een breuk in de bobinekabel, dus deze heb ik vervangen door nieuwe samen met de bougie kabels. De bougies heb ik ook vervangen (originele van de dealer op kenteken besteld). Hierna starte hij weer, maar hij loopt maar 2 seconden stationair en slaat dan weer af. Alleen als ik het gaspedaal ver intrap blijft hij lopen. Als ik het intrap lijkt het wel of ik hem halverwege hoor verzuipen. De thermostaat is 3 maanden geleden door de dealer vervangen.

Wat heb ik gecontroleerd?:
- temperatuursensor;
- vacuüm slangen;
- Ovp;
- Brandstofpomp relais;
- De oude bougies waren droog en bruin van kleur. De elektrode enz. zag er nog goed uit.

Iemand enig idee waar het aan zou kunnen liggen? Ik fiets nu al een maand een uur per dag door slecht weer en ik zou het erg waarderen als iemand de goude tip heeft.

Af en toe had ik ook dat er een knal onder de motorkap vandaan kwam en hierna kwam er witte rook door de ventilatie heen aan de bestuurders zijde. Als je voor de auto staat kwam de witte rook ergens aan de rechter kant.

De rotor en verdeler kap zijn als nieuw, want deze zijn 2 jaar geleden al vervangen. Er zat wel wat vocht in, maar na het droog maken liep hij nog steeds niet. De contacten waren mooi schoon.

Alvast bedankt!


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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor W201Class » 11 jan 2018, 22:42

Er zit ook een slang onder de lucht massa meter. Heb je die ook gecontroleerd?
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Leonard97 » 11 jan 2018, 23:37

Waar zit de luchtmassameter? Deze heb ik nog niet gecontroleerd


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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 12 jan 2018, 04:05

Die knallen zijn backfires geweest Nu is waarschijnlijk de arm van de luchtmassameter krom, en daarmee klopt het mengsel niet meer.
Het vervangen van arm en/of stuwschijf en CO stellen te samen met controleren op vacuüm lekken zal Je van het fietsen verlossen volgens mij. ;)
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Bastian-Hoen » 12 jan 2018, 09:40

Dit klint meer als brandstof te kort

Loopt je brandstof pomp wel. En welke druk geeft hij
Moet tussen de 6 a 7 bar zijn
http://www.fulica.nl (sorry nog steeds weinig foto's
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » 12 jan 2018, 09:48

Je zal echt moeten gaan onderzoeken of alle slangen en rubber manchette onder het lmm huis nog goed zitten.
ke-jetronic-motor-diagnose-start-stationair-problemen-t12148.html

de motor krijgt benzine en heeft een vonk...anders loopt hij niet volgas.....ja dit wordt echt weer zoeken..je zou iemand moeten zoeken met een goed lopende/vervangende lmm huis compleet...en deze dan omwisselen.

kijk wij weten niet wat de garage heeft gedaan de laatste keer...waarschijnlijk staat het Duty cycle weer helemaal verkeerd.....je kunt het BPR even doorverbinden....hoor je de brandstofpomp wel zoemen als je het contact aan zet ?

Apeldoorn/Rotterdam ligt iets te ver voor mij....en de auto loopt niet...anders zou ik zeggen rijdt even langs dan meten we even het een en ander door...maar misschien is er wel een forumlid bij jou in de buurt.

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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Bastian-Hoen » 12 jan 2018, 12:48

Als de brandstofdruk te laag is dan loopt hij niet
Doordat je volgas geeft kan hij lopen omdat er dan misschien net genoeg benzine komt
Dit kan ook verklaren waarom je bougies er goed uitzagen
Wanneer er te veel lucht/te weinig vacuum is zouden deze nat moeten zijn
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Leonard97 » 12 jan 2018, 13:37

Bedankt allemaal, ik zal de tips morgen gaan gebruiken, ik heb alleen geen gereedschap om de brandstofdruk te meten, dus ik gebruik wel wat start spray om te kijken wat hij dan doet. Ook ga ik alle vacuüm slangen nog een keer nakijken. De pomp hoor ik zoemen
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 12 jan 2018, 15:22

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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 13 jan 2018, 01:10

Kan je zien of er iets verbogen is?

De stuwklep hoort een vlakke schijf te zijn.
Kun je er misschien een foto van maken? De schijf hoort op een bepaalde hoogte in de trechter te liggen.
Als de arm of de stuwschijf krom zijn klopt deze afstelling natuurlijk niet meer en zul je ze moeten vervangen.

De stuwschijf is nieuw bij de dealer te verkrijgen, als de arm krom is, is een vervangende luchtmassameter waarschijnlijk de beste oplossing.
Na eventueel vervangen van stuwschijf of complete luchtmassameter zul je het CO moeten (laten) stellen.
De stelschroef is te bereiken door het gat in het luchtfilterdeksel. Het is een inbusschrof 3mm.
Door de schroef tegen veerdruk in te duwen totdat hij aangrijpt in de eigenlijke stelschroef, kun je het CO verstellen.
Linksom is armer, rechtsom is rijker. Houd goed bij hoeveel je de schroef verdraait en waar heen zodat je weer terug kan mocht dat nodig zijn.
Mocht er niets verbogen zijn, begin dan met rijker stellen van het CO. 1/4 slag per keer, tot hij aanslaat en blijft lopen, daarna kan je met een voltmeter de dutycycle afstellen, dan stel je eigenlijk het CO op electronische manier zonder het uitlaatgas te meten.
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Bromgabber » 13 jan 2018, 01:36

Ik heb evt nog een 1.8E liggen waar de onderdelen vanaf kunnen.
Dan kan je het proberen/oplossen.
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » 13 jan 2018, 10:44

Hier een pdfje als voorbeeld http://www.w124-zone.com/downloads/MB%2 ... 3-1665.pdf

Je kunt de stuwschijf ook zelf nog bijstellen (als hij niet krom is ) als hij te hoog staat kan je dmv een stalen pennetje met een doorslag in te slaan de hoogte verstellen.

kijk daarmee wel uit want als je hem te ver slaat moet het Lmm huis er helemaal af om het pennetje weer terug te slaan.

Misschien heb je hier iets aan maar probeer hem eerst eens iets rijker te draaien.
en nogmaals als de motor weer loopt moet het Duty Cycle weer worden afgestelt ( maar dat is voor later)

Kijk eerst eens hoe de stuwschijf staat en maak eens een fototje.

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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » 13 jan 2018, 11:03

Als je het luchtfilterhuis toch los hebt check dan ook even de IACV (stappenmotor) als deze vast zit en niet open gaat tijdens het starten dan slaat de motor ook niet aan hoor...dus gelijk even schoonmaken dat ding.
Als je hem op contact draait moet je hem horen klikken.
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Leonard97 » 13 jan 2018, 12:57

Bedankt voor alle snelle reacties! Om te beginnen is hier een foto van de klep. De klep ziet er recht uit, maar het lijkt wel of hij er scheef in ligt. [phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions_reimg.php on line 136: preg_match_all(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Leonard97 » 13 jan 2018, 12:58

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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Leonard97 » 13 jan 2018, 13:51

Het is opgelost! Onder de inlaat zat een grote vacuüm slang die los zat! Hij loopt als een zonnetje nu. Bedankt voor alle hulp!


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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 13 jan 2018, 20:27

Fijn dat hij weer mooi loopt :handgestures-thumbup:

Ja dat is de vacuum schroef, als hij goed loopt lekker af blijven.

En die losse slang kon de garage niet vinden? Was dat een MB garage, en heb je nog moeten betalen ook.
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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Leonard97 » 14 jan 2018, 00:53

[quote="Bram Jansen"][/quote]

Dat was wensink in Apeldoorn. Toen zat de slang nog vast, want ik heb hem er naartoe gereden. Er zat een breuk in de bobinekabel, waardoor de weerstand van de kabel niet meer klopte en de ene keer maakte hij wel contact en de andere keer niet waardoor de ontsteking beroerd liep en dus back fires kreeg.

Ze hebben hem toen helemaal uitgelezen en wat dingen lopen controleren, maar ze konden niks vinden.

Nu heb ik zelf zonder ervaring met auto’s het probleem gevonden. Natuurlijk heb ik wel gebruik gemaakt van de topics op dit forum om erachter te kunnen komen waar het aan zou kunnen liggen.

Het jaren sleutelen aan mijn brommers helpt ook met het begrijpen van de techniek in de auto.

Geweldig forum is dit! Iedereen staat hier klaar om je te helpen.


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Re: Mijn auto loopt alleen bij vol gas.

Berichtdoor Bastian-Hoen » 14 jan 2018, 11:56

ben ik toch benieuwd wat ze uitgelezen hebben en waarmee ze het hebben uitgelezen
http://www.fulica.nl (sorry nog steeds weinig foto's
let op wij zijn geen bedrijf ( de classics) maar wij zijn bezig met een hobby
in een mooie grote sleutel hal in Doetinchem

beschikken over EPC van Wensink
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