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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor wwwW123 » 26 mei 2014, 18:38

check in ieder geval je veren eens goed op breuk helemaal onderin bijvoorbeeld. vaak pas goed te zien bij demontage of met spiegeltje op brug met hangende draagarm. je zult de eerste niet zijn...:-)..
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 26 mei 2014, 18:50

Gaan we doen :handgestures-thumbup:

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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor FerryB » 27 mei 2014, 08:02

Hallo Lex,

Laatst heb ik ergens gelezen (weet niet meer waar) dat banden met stevigere wangen ook kunnen helpen bij windgevoeligheid. Maar ik ben een leek :D
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 27 mei 2014, 08:28

Ha Ferry,

Ja, ik verwacht dat er binnen nu en zeg maar anderhalf jaar toch nieuwe banden onder moeten. Daar ga ik dus rekening mee houden. Dank voor de tip! :dance:

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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 23 jul 2014, 10:36

Ik ben dan eindelijk bezig met het plaatsen van de stuurdemper en het hulpstuurhuisje. De auto wordt steeds slechter bestuurbaar. Boven de 90km is geen doen meer.

Bij het hulpstuurhuis ondervind ik toch de nodige problemen :mrgreen:
De bout die er doorheen loopt moet er natuurlijk uit, maarrrrrrrrrrrrr, dan stuit hij tegen de uitlaat.

Is het normaal dat ik zelfs één deel van de uitlaat ervoor los moet maken. Of moet ik de "kap" lostikken, gaat dan misschien de bout wat meer schuin zodat hij langs de uitlaat kan.

Daarnaast vraag ik mij af of het normaal is dat ik de stuurstang een beetje kan kantelen.

Dat hoor ik graag :clap:

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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor EmielW201 » 23 jul 2014, 20:28

Hoi Lex, de bout is goed geplaatst zo te zien. Bij een M102 8V motor heb je voldoende ruimte rondom de voorpijp om deze bout te verwijderen. Blijkbaar is de voorpijp bij een M103 blok anders. Heb je wel een originele voorpijp?

Wat bedoel je met stuurstang? de stuurdemper of anders welke stang?
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 23 jul 2014, 20:41

Ha Emiel,

Alles Eberspacher, behalve de voorpijp. Taxieteille vertelde me dat ze die niet meer maken :mrgreen:

Op de foto zie je twee koppelingen waar de demper en de stuurstang bij elkaar komen. De demper en de stuurstang kan ik een beetje kantelen en vraag mij af of dat normaal is. Omdat er stofhoezen om zetten krijg ik het idee van wel.

Groter probleem is het hulpstuurhuis denk ik. Het hulpstuurhuis bestaat uit twee delen. Zal morgen proberen het bovendeel eruit te tikken van onderaf en mogelijk kan dan die bout een stukje opzij. Ik hoop het maar anders moet de uitlaat los. Heb al overwogen het hulpstuurhuisje gewoon te laten zitten maarja :snooty: heb een hekel aan half werk.

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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor VmaX » 23 jul 2014, 21:59

Ik zou zeker het hulpstuurhuis niet laten zitten, dat scheelt echt een heleboel in stuureigenschappen.
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor EmielW201 » 23 jul 2014, 22:36

Als het met de hand kantelen van de stuurstang redelijk stroef gaat is dat normaal. Maar als het voelt als losse speling dan is de fuseekogel versleten. Dan is het raadzaam om deze stuurstang ook te vervangen.
De speling op de bevestiging van de stuurdemper is minder belangrijk. Als de bevestiging van de demper een beetje kan kantelen heeft dat geen effect op de stuureigenschappen. Belangrijk is dat de demper zelf nog goed functioneert.

Hulpstuurhuis zou je beter toch maar vervangen. Kost dan wel wat meer werk omdat voorpijp los zal moeten, maar dan stuur je straks wel weer heerlijk.
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 23 jul 2014, 22:44

Emiel, hallo,

Nee, er is geen losse speling maar geen weerstand. Kan de demper en stuurstang simpel kantelen.

Ja, ga morgen aan de slag net het hulpstuurhuis. Zat vandaag een beetje tegen met de remdemper van de tandemasser.

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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Iggy » 24 jul 2014, 22:25

achter zitten ook aan elke kant vier stabilisatorstangen, als het bij de voorkant geen verschil uitmaakt kan je het ook nog daar zoeken.
als je de auto even opkrikt en het weil eraf haalt zie je ze zo zitten. ja kan kijken of de rubbers die erin zitten nog goed zijn door ze een beetje onder spannig te zetten met een bandenijzer of zo. als je ze heel gemakkelijk kan bewegen of de bussen zijn los van de rubbers zijn deze aan vervanging toe en gaat de auto ook als een dweil over de weg.
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heb de foto zomaar van internet gehaald weet niet dat erg is met die sluikreclame? heb geen banden met die mannen of zo.
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 24 jul 2014, 22:30

Heb vandaag een bestelling bij Taxiteille gedaan.
Daar zitten ook voor de 190 de stabilisator stangetjes bij.
Ik heb er voor elke kant 1 besteld, dacht dat er achter ook maar één zit, aan elke kant.

Lex

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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Iggy » 25 jul 2014, 08:38

nee het zijn er meer helaas....
misschien kan je ze wel checken voor de zekerheid eerst voordat je de rest gaat kopen.
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 25 jul 2014, 08:42

Zodra ze binnen zijn zal ik ze monteren en meteen kijken met desnoods een foto hier.
Bedankt Iggy.

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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 26 jul 2014, 13:36

Misschien kan iemand mij hier een duidelijk antwoord op geven.

Op de foto het hulpstuurhuis

bovenop, dus onder de bout komt de arm van de stuurstang,
De bout gaat dus door de arm van de stuurstang en dan door het hulpstuurhuis.

De vraag: MOET er een ring tussen de kop van de bout en de arm van de stuurstang?
Er zat er geen tussen, maar vind dat onlogisch.

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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 27 jul 2014, 11:21

Er hoort geen ring tussen de bout en de arm. Onder de arm, op het cupje, hoort wel een ring. Ik neem aan dat na montage de complete bout meedraait met de arm. E zit ook een ring tussen de onderste bout en het cupje daar.
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 27 jul 2014, 11:41

Heb het hulpstuurhuis er zo opgezet als hij bij leverantie in elkaar zat.
De moer op de dikke bout heeft zo weinig grip, het hele schroefdraad zit niet op de bout. En dat is zonder extra ringen.
Dus als ik er nog ringen tussen zet, krijg ik te weinig houvast met de bout op de moer.

Het zit in elkaar en zal straks eens laten draaien aan het stuur en kijken hoe het werkt.

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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 26 dec 2015, 20:46

Hoe is het nu met de windgevoeligheid.
Ik heb er ook last van.
En wil er ook vanaf.
Ik denk aan de achterbrug rubbers.
altijd feest als je met een Benz bent weg geweest
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 27 dec 2015, 12:29

Ben bezig met de draagarmen geheel te vernieuwen. Er zitten inmiddels ook nieuwe banden onder.
Met de nieuwe banden hebben we even gereden, dat scheelt wel wat maar lost niet alles op.

Als de draagarmen met nieuwe fusee kogels geen uitkomst bieden is de enige optie nog alle stabilisator stangen achter te vervangen. Wat Iggy eerder al schreef.

Bijgaand plaatje is één van de beste fusee kogels die er onderuit kwam.(170.000km) De nieuwe armen met nieuwe rubbers en nieuwe fusee kogels moeten er nog in. Zal nog een week of wat duren.
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Re: Windgevoeligheid MB201

Berichtdoor FerryB » 27 dec 2015, 13:19

Ha Lex,

Heb je nog banden genomen met steverige wangen??
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