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Hallo,

Mijn motor, een 2.0 D wil niet stoppen...
Ik kan geen vacuum meten, maar ik heb gemerkt dat ik vacuum heb, door van die dikke blanke plasticslang die naar de rembooster gaat, daar zit een bruin zijslangetje op, als ik dat eraf trek en mijn vinger opleg, merk je dat er vacuum is.
Ook heb ik met een ander slangetje op het witte stoppotje op de injectiepomp vacuum opgezet (aan gezogen) en toen stopte de motor.
nu kan ik de rood/bruine vacuumleiding die dat potje bedient nergens meer terugvinden, ik zie dat ie vanaf de Injectiepomp naar het schutbord en beneden gaat, daarna ben ik hem kwijt?

dus, Ik heb vacuum, en het potje op de pomp werkt.
wie kan mij hier verder helpen? ik heb al een beetje rondgezocht met de zoekfunctie, maar ben niet echt iets tegengekomen waar ik iets aanhad.

groeten,

Bert

De vacuum gaat naar je contactslot.
Als je de auto uit zet, en je hebt je slangetje eraf, moet hij continu vacuum zuigen (immers je motor blijft draaien)
Ook kan je een vacuumlek bij je koplampverstelling hebben, dit zorgt er ook voor dat je motor niet meer uit gaat.

Je hebt dat bruine slangetje eraf getrokken en toen had je vacuum.
Zit het lek niet in het circuit van het bruine slangetje??

Voor het moment heb ik geen idee, Ik denk dat ik het bruine slangetje aan het begin van zijn circuit eraf getrokken heb, en ik heb geen middelen om Vacuum te maken/meten, oftewel een lektest te doen.

Overigens, is dat kleine bruine slangetje de voeding van het hele vacuumsysteem?

Zo, Met behulp van de vacuumschema's die ik hier op het forum gevonden heb, ben ik redelijk ver gekomen. Ik heb gevonden dat in de bruin blauwe leiding die tot op het spatscherm loopt geen lek zit, als ik die direct aansluit op waar de bruine slang begint (bij de terugslagklep die in de dikke leiding van vacuumpomp naar rembekrachtiging zit), stopt de motor meteen!

als ik dan op de bruine leiding zuig zit er ook nog geen lek (tot aan het contacktslot denk ik) als de motor loopt, maar als ik dan de sleutel in de positie draai om de motor te stoppen, heb ik bij het zuigen in een keer géén weerstand meer. en om zeker te zijn dat het in de bruine leiding ook geen lek zit, heb ik de sleutel in de motor start positie gedraait en er weer aan gezogen, daar zit geen lek. op deze manier heb ik gevonden dat er een lek? zit in de bruin/blauwe slang van het contactslot naar het spatscherm, of het vacuumgedeelte in het contactslot.
dat moet ik nog uitzoeken.

Mocht het lek nu in de vacuumleiding zitten, is dat spul nog ergens te koop?

Eigenlijk best wel grappig dat je zonder gereedschappen nog een heel eind kunt komen hé?

Hoi Bert,

Ik heb vroeger ook een 190 diesel gehad en ik heb ook een keer meegemaakt dat de motor niet wilde stoppen. Toen bleek de vacuumstoppot kapot. Volgens mij is dat een euvel dat vaker voorkomt en is het een kwestie van vervangen van het betreffende potje.

Je kan dat potje ook eerst eenvoudig testen:
wat je kunt doen is op de vacuumstoppot het vacuum slangetje er af halen dan een slangetje wat lang genoeg is er weer op drukken en daarna met je mond vacuum zuigen dan kun je zien op het pompje werkt. Reageert hij hier niet op dan is je vacuumpotje defect.

Succes.
Groeten,
Ron

Volgens mij heb ik een keer gelezen hier ergens dat het op koud zetten van de verwarming ook kon helpen om de motor te laten stoppen. Dit stuk werkt ook op vacuum.

Dank voor de tips!

@Ron, dat had ik al geprobeert, en het potje werkt nog, ik geloof dat dat ik de post bover de jouwe staat, maar niettemin, Bedankt voor de tip!

verder denk ik dat het dus in de bruin/blauwe leiding naar het contactslot, of het contactslot zelf moet zitten, dat ga ik vandaag uitzoeken.

Weet iemand of die circuits van de verwarmingsbediening en de koplampverstelling feitenlijk aan hetzelfde circuit als de motor uitzetter gekoppeld zitten?

of is het circuit van de motoruitzetter alléén dát? (zitten er dan dus geen andere circuits aangekoppeld?)

Dit plaatje heb ik zelf gemaakt/aangepast:
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aansluiting C gaat naar het interieur.
Hierop zitten je kachelknoppen (die weer naar je kachelklep gaat), kopllampverstelling en gaat naar je contactslot.
Van het contactslot gaat het rechtstreeks naar je stoppotje, aansluiting B.
In de schema staan ook de kleuren.

Hallo Wiersma,

Dit schema is niet helemaal correct voor mijn model, maar ik heb geen idee hoe ik hier het correcte schema neer moet zetten?
Ik ben door enkele uren onder de motorkap te hangen alles op te schrijven, en daarna te controleren op de schema's die elders op dit forum staan erachter gekomen dat op pagina 07.1-500 ( motor 601ARA mit code 62/0 in typ 124 baujahr 1993) dat komt overeen met mijn motor.

Door stuk voor stuk de leidingen los te halen (met draaiende motor vanwege het vacuum) en een grote injectiespuit (om te kijken of de plunjer naar binnen gezogen word of niet) ben ik eruit gekomen dat alle leidingen dicht zijn, en er voldoende vacuum is.

Toen ik daarbij bij het contactslot kwam, heb ik beide vacuumleidingen (bruin en bruin/blauw) losgehaald, en met een rubber slangetje aan elkaar verbonden. Onmiddelijk stopte de motor! dus, alles werkt goed, inc. stoppotje.
Máár, ik vermoed nu dus dat er een lek zit in het contactslotgedeelte. want zovlug ik het weer aansloot zoals het moet zitten, werkt het niet meer?!?

Is er bekent dat dát deel wel eens lekt?

Oh ja, bij mijn auto is het circuit om de motor uit te zetten dus een circuit wat ALLEEN gebruikt word om de motor uit te zetten, dus het bedient Géén lichthoogte, en ook Géén kachelbediening!!!

Ik had even niet naar het bouwjaar van je auto gekeken, die heft inderdaad van die milieu dingen erop te zitten op vacuum.
Dat schema heb ik ook wel als je er belang bij hebt.

Je probleem heb je toch gevonden? als je de slangen van het contactslot aan elkaar zet gaat de motor uit.
Dus ligt het aan het contactslot. Dat vacuümdeeltje is los te vervangen.

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Te gek man!
da's mooi als je zo een beetje documentatie hebt!!!!
Ik laat wel weten hoe het afloopt, ok?

Zo, Vandaag eindelijk de gelegenheid gehad om het vacuumdeeltje van het contactslot af te halen, Tjeemig wat een gefrot! halve dashboard moeten afbreken!

Wat blijkt, de plastic deeltjes die daarin zitten zijn ondicht geworden.als ik met de hand (IPV het contactslot) dat dichtdruk, gebeurt er niets (lekt de vacuum) als daarentegen ik de plastic deeltjes eruithaal, en het gat afsluit met mijn vinger, slaat de motor meteen af!

Nou, kun je raaien wat er bij mij vervangen gaat worden?!?!?

Gefeliciteerd met het vinden van de oplossing.

Nu inderdaad nog even vervangen, hopelijk geen duur onderdeel.


Succes,

Egbert

Zo, Donderdag naar de CT (apk) geweest, en mijn Benz liep er zo doorheen.
Met dank aan een forumlid die zo vriendelijk was twee van deze vacuumschakelaartjes (die aan het stuur horen te zitten) op te sturen, wat mij verbaasde toen ik ze zag was dat alle plastic deeltjes gewoon er binnenin bleven zitten?,ben ik toch nog enkele uren beziggeweest om ze tegen het stuur aan te krijgen, de eerste (wat ik niet had gezien) was een beetje langer als de andere (ik zal nog proberen foto's te maken en te plaatsen), waardoor ik een van de schroefjes niet in hun gat kon krijgen, en omdat ik dat allemaal via de ruimte waar normaal de klokken inzitten, en een spiegeltje moest doen neemt dat gewoon heel veel tijd! je kunt daar gewooon HEEL erg slecht bij!
toen ik in de gaten kreeg dat het niet wilde met dat schroefje, heb ik het gat aangepast, en weer geprobeert. toen lukte het dus wel, en schrofde ik het vacuumdeeltje gewoon vast zoals het zou moeten zitten.
En dan probeer je even de sleutel te draaien (om te starten) en dat wilde helemaal niet?!???
Ok, de boel weer losgehaalt, en toen draaide de sleutel wel weer normaal.
Dus toen ben ik even naar het andere vacuumdeeltje gaan kijken, en daar viel het me op dat het twee verschillende deeltjes waren. toen ik dat tweede deeltje op het slot schroefde, paste het meteen, en ook draaide de sleutel gewoon rond! ...
Dus toen de vacuumleidingen erop gestoken, de motor gestart en weer uitgezet, met de sleutel nu!!! alles goed bevonden, en verder gegaan met het hele dashboard terug te bouwen! Pfft, wat een werk!

bedankt nog voor het opsturen van de vacuumdeeltjes! je weet wel wie?!

En nu; Km's maken!!!!

Hallo,

Hier nog even een update; ik nam foto's van de vacuumschakelaar aan de stuurkolom.
eerst het onderdeel zoals ie zou moeten zijn:
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