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Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor Jack van Iersel » 23 nov 2021, 20:23

Goedenavond,

De rechtse zijde van de verwarming lijkt niet lekker mee warm te worden zoals de linkse zijde. Het is al met al wat lauw, en links is echt lekker warm. Hetzelfde ook met het ontwasemen, linkse kant mooi schone ruit, rechts nagenoeg niet.

Iemand enig idee waar ik het moet zoeken?
Moet er wel bij vermelden dat het ventilatiepalletje van het rechtse rooster lam is, maar dat lijkt mij voor het ontwasemen geen oorzaak kunnen zijn.

Was al een topic tegengekomen voor de demontage van de kachelradiator, maar dat vind ik een behoorlijke klus om zomaar aan te beginnen, vandaar de vraag.
Misschien is het iets van een losgeschoten slang, maar weet ik niet waar ik moet zoeken.
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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 23 nov 2021, 21:55

De kachelradiator heb ik gedaan, zou het niemand aanraden :lol:
Zover hoef je voor dit probleem niet te wroeten.
Er kunnen met dit probleem meerdere oorzaken van het niet werken van 1 kant zijn.

Ik zou gokken op een afgebroken knopverlenging. Zover ik mij kan herinneren zit achter de linker en rechter knop een vierkant staafje, dat zou gebroken kunnen zijn. Ik gooi er gisteren de foto van weg. Of het probleem daar zit kun je een klein beetje voelen als je de knop heen en weer draaid. Minder weerstand.

Inderdaad ook een slang die voor de helft op de goeie plek zit.
Dat je moet De-monteren :o is wel zeker.

misschien is er nog iemand die een oplossing voor je heeft.
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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor KlaasKamminga » 24 nov 2021, 07:09

Hoi Jack,
Ik heb links de kachelslang wel eens los gehad omdat ik mijn instrumentenpaneel wilde demonteren, de slang zit gewoon op twee aansluitingen geschoven. Ik neem aan dat het rechts ook zo is. Volgens mij moet je daar bij kunnen als je het paneel onder het dashboardkastje losmaakt en weghaalt. Wordt wel een klusje waarbij je ondersteboven onder je dashboard ligt, ik hoop dat je een soepele rug hebt... succes!
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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 24 nov 2021, 14:15

Het feit dat de hele rechterkant geen warme lucht geeft, duidt erop dat er geen warme lucht uit de kachel komt aan die kant.
Het palletje/schuifje waar je over spreekt sluit en of opent het betreffende luchtrooster en heeft met de warmte van de lucht die er al dan niet doorstroomt niets van doen.
Wat Lex aangeeft is heel aannemelijk, maar dan zou de rechterkant ook niet meer koud zijn in te stellen.
Klopt het dat de rechterkant op 1 temperatuur staat, bij bedrijfswarme motor? Of is hij ook nog koud in te stellen?

Een losse slang, wat Klaas aangeeft, zou betekenen dat je een groot luchtlek hebt, en dat er dan weinig lucht uit de rechter roosters komt, maar wel weinig warme lucht. Met het draaien aan de rechter verwarmingsknop zou je verschil in temperatuur moeten kunnen waarnemen.

Andere mogelijkheid kan zijn een deels verstopte kachelradiateur.
Voordat je aan uitbouwen begint, kun je het systeem doorspoelen en of doorblazen, doe dit tegen de stromingsrichting in. Gebruik eerst citroenzuur om het systeem weer schoon te krijgen van binnen, dan doorspoelen,doorblazen.
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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor Theo10 » 24 nov 2021, 16:40

Zo'n lam hendeltje had ik ook (maar dan links) en inderdaad was het op zijn "asje" losgegaan.
Met twee platte tangen, eventueel met tape o.i.d. in de bek tegen beschadigen, kun je het beweegbare roostertje recht naar je toe eruit trekken.
Nu kun je handmatig de klep open of dicht duwen, zien of de slang vastzit en testen of er warme cq. koude lucht uit komt.
Het handeltje repareren is met enig geduld wel te doen. Laat maar weten of je daar een beschrijving van wilt.
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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 24 nov 2021, 20:31

De temperatuur van de uitstromende lucht wordt geregeld door een klep in het kachelhuis welke de hoeveelheid koude aangezogen lucht mengt met verwarmde lucht. Temperatuurregelaar helemaal op "warm" is 100% hete lucht en op "koud" (bijna) 100% koude licht. Ik denk dat deze klep aan de rechterkant niet meer verbonden is met de knop. Dit is te controleren door de ventilator aan te zetten, liefst met de motor uit, en dan luisteren naar de ingeblazen lucht terwijl je aan de temperatuurknop draait. Als het alleen rechts niet warm wordt en het ligt aan deze klep kun je een duidelijk verschil horen als je links en rechts vergelijkt bij het draaien. In de watertoevoer zit maar 1 kraan, daar kan het niet aan liggen als links en rechts verschillen in temperatuur,
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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor Guppie » 25 nov 2021, 22:29

@RD500SEC
Dat van die kachelradiator kan háást niet. de buizen gaan van links naar rechts, net als een regel tekst. dus zou het ding links en rechts even warm moeten worden. (Ja ik heb hem al eens vervangen)

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het makkelijkst is denk ik even de middenconsole verwijderen, dan is het gehele luchtmeng gedeelte zichtbaar en toegankelijk. dat van die kachelknop verlenging is inderdaad het aannemelijkst.

Middenconsole verwijderen is een klusje van een uurtje ongeveer.
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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor Jack van Iersel » 26 nov 2021, 17:22

@guppie,

Heb je toevallig in een paar stappen de uitleg?

-knoppen lostrekken
-radio eruit?
-etc
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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 27 nov 2021, 12:59

Ik heet weliswaar geen Guppy maar hier heb je een foto van de kachelradiator Unit, dus waar de kachelradiator in zit.
Daaraan zie je twee dingen.
1 -- dat de kachelcirquits gescheiden zijn, de lucht komt immers uit twee uitlaten.
2 -- De stifthouders die ik bedoelde, die afgebroken zouden kunnen zijn, of 1 ervan. Ik hoop niet dat dit zo is.

Ik heb veel foto's van het vernieuwen van deze kachelradiator, ik heb het ook twee keer gegaan.
1 x bij de 190 E2.6 en 1 x bij de W124 waarbij Richard de "klus" voor mij heeft afgemaakt. Ik had alles uit elkaar en werd ziek en zag er geen gat meer in. Dus ook Richard kan het hele verhaal wel dromen.

Ik heb er zomaar wat foto's ingeplakt maar ook de twee van de stiften, of beter gezegd de vierkante verlenging waar de stiften van je draaiknoppen ingaan die het kanaal afsluiten. Er is er naar alle waarschijnlijkheid bij jou eentje gebroken, maar ik heb geen glazen bol. Het stukdraaien moet je gevoeld hebben.

Je moet deze klus in deze tijd van het jaar binnen doen, niet buiten want je moet je deuren open hebben vanwege de gebrekkige ruimte in de auto.
Kijk maar of je hier iets aan hebt, vragen kost niets. Het juiste antwoord ook niet maar het is lastig uit te leggen waar je moet beginnen. Doe aan alles wat je uit elkaar haalt een plakbandje schilderstape en schrijf er op wat het is en waar het te plaatsen is, want je moet nogal veel uit elkaar halen, met een beetje pech heel veel.

Dat radiatortje wat je ziet zitten op foto 1 is niet de kachelradiator, dat is de airco condensor heet dat geloof ik.

Het is ruim 5 jaar geleden dat ik dit heb gedaan dus weet ook niet exact meer hoe het zat.
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Re: Rechtse roosters wordt niet warm

Berichtdoor Guppie » 29 nov 2021, 19:42

@jack
Een en paar stappen zo uit mn hoofd:
-Ventilatieroosters middenin eruit trekken met een punttang+papiertje om ze niet te beschadigen.

-de 2 schroeven recht onder de roosters eruit

- schroeven aan de zijkant eruit

- alle knoppen van de kachel eraftrekken (ook schuif) met tang+papiertje.

- de moeren daarachter losdraaien met dop 24, dan de "bakjes" eruithalen

-radio eruit inderdaad

-asbak demonteren (zitten onder de radio schroeven voor meende ik me te herinneren)

Voor zover ik weet zijn dat alle montagepunten van de middenconsole!

Dan heb je toegang tot die plasic asjes die die warme lucht mengen met koude lucht = temperatuurregeling
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