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koude start prima; warme start probleem

Berichtdoor voyager » 19 jun 2022, 19:30

Hallo MB lovers! Mijn 190E 2.0 uit 1993 (140.000 km) heeft de laatste tijd het probleem dat hij als hij na een rit een tijdje stil heeft gestaan moeilijk weer aanslaat. Bij een koude start is het ro ro ro vroem, maar als de motor nog warm is na een rit doet hij de vroem niet meer en als ie dan wil aanslaan is het maar op 1 of 2 ylinders. Als ik dan een aantal keren het gaspedaal pomp wil ie wl weer aanslaan. Ik heb de bougiekabels en het brandstoffilter vervangen, zonder resultaat. Hij is al een paar keer bij de MB expert hier in Maastricht geweest, maar die kan niet vinden wat de oorzaak is. Het probleem doet zich wanneer zij er in rijden niet voor (kiespijn verdwijnt net als je bij de tandarts binnengaat). Iemand enig idee?
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Re: koude start prima; warme start probleem

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 20 jun 2022, 12:29

Dat klinkt als een defecte accumulator, deze houdt de brandstofdruk vast nadat je de motor hebt uitgezet.
De accumulator vind je in het brandstofpomppakket, naast filter en pomp, links onder de auto ter hoogte van de achterbank, onder een plastic kap.

Eigenlijk zou je van een expert verwachten dat hier naar gekeken is.
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Re: koude start prima; warme start probleem

Berichtdoor Guppie » 20 jun 2022, 20:08

Kan ook de verdelerkap zijn of iets anders van de ontsteking. Zelf ook al eens gehad.
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Re: koude start prima; warme start probleem

Berichtdoor voyager » 08 jul 2022, 18:05

Dank voor jullie reactie! V.w.b. d accumulator: indien deze de benzinedruk nietvasthoudt, hoe kan het dan zijn dat de motor wanneer hij koud is wel meteen problemloos aanslaat, terwijl als ie warm is hij hevig stottert.....?
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Re: koude start prima; warme start probleem

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 08 jul 2022, 18:52

Als de motor warm is, zitten er dampbellen in de brandstofleiding als de accumulator defect is. Vandaar het slechte aanslaan.
Bij koude motor zijn die dampbellen weer verdwenen.
De accumulator is simpel te testen, door de lekleiding eraf te halen, deze gelijk af te doppen, anders loopt de tank leeg, en met open lekleiding aansluiting de motor laten lopen.
In het begin kan er nog wat brandstof uit het pijpje komen, maar dat moet stoppen. Blijft er brandstof uit het pijpje druppelen, is de accumulator defect. Spuit de brandstof eruit, is de accumulator zeker defect.
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Re: koude start prima; warme start probleem

Berichtdoor Spaansen » 14 jul 2022, 22:25



Na dit filmpje in het Duits snap je het exact en vergeet je het nooit meer
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Re: koude start prima; warme start probleem

Berichtdoor voyager » 31 jul 2022, 17:41

Heel duidlijk, geweldig bedankt. Weet je toevallig ook nog hoe ik het voordeligst aan een nieuwe accumulator kom?
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Re: koude start prima; warme start probleem

Berichtdoor Spaansen » 03 aug 2022, 22:41

Ik heb mijne bij de benzine pomp vervangen.

Uiteindelijk via eBay gevonden voor 170,- twee jaar terug

Dat was destijds de goedkoopste Bosch die ik kon vinden.

Die bij de motor zit is bijna niet te betalen tussen de 450 en de 550,-
Is de zelfde als in de Ferrari testarossa is gebruikt als ik me niet vergis
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Re: koude start prima; warme start probleem

Berichtdoor Bassje » 04 aug 2022, 10:49

Zelfde als met de koudestartinjector, Silvester. Zit ook in zo'n Italiaans raspaardje..
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