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K jet turbo

Berichtdoor jessehagen » 18 jan 2021, 12:55

Hallo allemaal

Ik ben begonnen met een turbo project voor mijn 1.8 m102, nu vraag ik me af of ik de turbo direct de inlaat in kan laten blazen want ik ben bang dat hij de luchtklep van de k jet naar beneden zal duwen waardoor de auto dus uitvalt, heeft iemand hier ervaring mee??
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Re: K jet turbo

Berichtdoor LloydGeenen » 18 jan 2021, 18:26

Hoi,

Ik heb ooit een conversie gedaan op een 2.0 benzine, naar een turbo (Mosselman kit).
Dit werkte goed. Let wel op, aangezien een standaard blok (met originele zuigers) een redelijke hoge compressieverhouding heeft, dat je op lage turbodruk blijft draaien, anders sloop je de motor.
Ook even letten op de ontsteking: wordt deze vervroegd met vacuüm of is deze volledig digitaal?
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Re: K jet turbo

Berichtdoor john37 » 19 jan 2021, 14:51

Hoi,
Heb geen ervaring met turbo conversie, maar al redenerende lijkt het me misschien wel mogelijk met bescheiden turbo en wat extra aanpassingen??
De lucht massa meter meet de hoeveelheid doorgestroomde lucht, en niet de turbodruk.
Mogelijk is de mengverhouding niet meer ok en ook (sterk) niet lineair geworden omdat er bij stationair (bijna) niks anders is geworden, maar als de turbo draait komt er veel meer lucht en brandstof binnen (je rijd dus meer ""vol"gas bij lager toerental. In het spruitstuk is geen vacuum meer maar overdruk vanaf een bepaald toerental (of misschien wel altijd ??). weet niet doe de ECU daar op reageert.
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Re: K jet turbo

Berichtdoor Guppie » 19 jan 2021, 16:33

@RD500SEC

Een turbo zul je toch echt ná de luchtweger moeten plaatsen!
Deze is immers gemaakt om een uitwijking te geven aan de hand van het drukverschil over de stuwschijf. Als je beide zijden op druk gaat zetten (turbo voor de weger) meet de weger het verschil tussen beide verhoogde drukken wat gelijk is aan meer lucht bij dezelfde uitwijking en dus (standaard) een te mager mengsel!!!

Turbo na de weger is hetzelfde als een standaard motor wat betreft de luchtweger en dan zou het mengsel bij benadering al moeten kloppen! Porsche 930 (turbo) is daarom ook op die manier geconfigureerd

Turbo moet dan wel weer voor de gasklep, anders draai je hem meteen in een miljoen stukjes, het toerental loopt dan veel te hoog op aangezien vacuüm geen weerstand biedt!
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Re: K jet turbo

Berichtdoor Guppie » 19 jan 2021, 18:09

Sinds wanneer is een turbo een vacuümlek? Er is namelijk niks te lekken. Compressorkant is niet meer dan een luchtversneller --> een haakse bocht met een blazer er in. Daar kan niks lekken? Je meet nu de door de turbo aangezogen lucht.

Bijgevoegd plaatje is het schema van de Porsche 911 turbo die jij specifiek noemt: turbo zit ná de luchtweger en vóór de gasklep!
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Re: K jet turbo

Berichtdoor Guppie » 19 jan 2021, 20:08

Ja het eerste gedeelte klopt exact! Zo bedoel ik het ook precies, turbo zit ná je LMM en voor je gasklep, in serie dus. Je weegt alle lucht en het is een 100% gesloten systeem. Geen vacuümlek mogelijk.

Een stilstaande turbo is exact hetzelfde als bijvoorbeeld een stilstaande föhn. --> een pijp met een wieltje er in, waar lucht gewoon vrij doorheen kan stromen.

Dus starten is gewoon exact hetzelfde als dat de auto geen turbo zou hebben. Je zuigers zuigen lucht langs het compressorwiel en door de luchtweger.

Gaat wieltje draaien --> druk opbouw en/of luchtstroom door gasklep en meer luchtverplaatsing door luchtweger.

Je zult de luchtweger alleen naar de passagiers kant van de auto moeten verplaatsen om het praktisch gezien passend te krijgen
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Re: K jet turbo

Berichtdoor LloydGeenen » 20 jan 2021, 18:48

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