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Radio en speakers veranderen?

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Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 29 okt 2020, 20:26

Hoi allemaal, in mijn W201 zit nog een originele? Grundig radio met cassettedeck. Natuurlijk heel oldscool en het ziet er grappig uit. Helaas werkt hij niet goed meer en merk ik ook dat de linker speaker in ieder geval niet meer werkt.
Nu het dilemma, het uiterlijk of een lekker muziekje?
Bij het rijden gebruik ik vaak een JBL boxje maar dat is ook niet ideaal.
Daarom denk ik toch aan een andere radio.
Hoe hebben jullie het geluid geregeld? Ik vind het zonde om gaten te gaan zagen in deurpanelen. Wat zijn opties? Hoe haal ik de speakers in het dashboard los en wat zijn goede vervangers?
En verder: hoe sluit ik de radio aan? (Kleuren en functie)
De entenne werkt gelukkig nog goed.

Hoor het graag!! Groetjes Koen.
Koen84
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor MBreed » 30 okt 2020, 16:48

Grundig is niet origineel. Af fabriek werd uitsluitend Becker geleverd. Het Duitse merk Gladen heeft bijvoorbeeld speakers met een heel laag profiel, maar wel wat kostbaarder. Als je voor een originele radio gaat, heb je ook geen woeste speakers.

lastvin.com kun je zelf je chassisnummer ontsleutelen

In de hoedenplank kunnen origineel ook luidsprekers geplaatst worden. Ik geloof tot 09/88 10cm en later 13cm. Wel mooi als je de originele afdekkingen vindt.
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 27 dec 2020, 13:48

Goedemiddag mannen, goede kerstdagen gehad?
Ik heb zojuist toch maar een nieuwe autoradio besteld van Pioneer. Ook een setje boxen voor in het dashboard 10cm ook van Pioneer rekening houdend met de minimale ruimte.
Maar wat is de ma
Maximale inbouwdiepte achterin in de hoedenplank?
De meeste speakers zijn wel 7 cm.
En wat is de beste / handigste manier om de bedrading te laten lopen?
Verdere tips zijn ook welkom :-)
Bedankt!!
Koen84
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor MBreed » 27 dec 2020, 17:26

Zeker goede kerstdagen gehad! Jij ook hoop ik?

De inbouwdiepte zal je in je hoedenplank niet zo snel last van hebben. Ik heb bijvoorbeeld nog een originele set en daar is duidelijk te zien dat de diepte van de magneet is niet zozeer het probleem is. Ik wil het wel voor je nameten mocht dat handig zijn. De originele afdekkingen bieden echter geen enkele ruimte aan de bovenzijde. Bij de latere afdekkingen (vanaf 1988) wordt dit wel iets meer, maar nog steeds heel weinig. (laatste foto's). Ik weet niet of je gebruik gaat maken van de originele afdekkingen, anders maakt het sowieso weinig uit.

Ik zal even de originele beschrijving voor je uittikken, mocht je daar wat aan hebben:

1) De luidsprekers worden rechts en links in de hoedenplank ingebouwd

2) Achterzitting, eventuele hoofdsteunen en vervolgens de achterbankrugleuning (3 parkers) demonteren. Verbanddoosbak losklikken en de hoedenplank doormiddel van optillen aan de voorzijde en vervolgens naar je toe te trekken verwijderen.

3) Voorgedrukte luidsprekergaten aan de achterzijde v.d. hoedenplank uitsnijden en de plaatmoeren aanbrengen

4) Klankrubber licht samenknijpen en van onderen in het gat aanbrengen

5) Luidsprekers van boven monteren en de afdekkingen aan de hoedenplank vastschroeven.

6) Voorgestanste opening in het plaatdeel onder de luidsprekers openen en afwerken (zie foto handleiding, bij de witte pijl). Dit heeft te maken met de diepte van de klank.

7) De luidsprekerkabel vanuit het interieur, door het doorvoerrubber in de achterwand (onder de achterbankleuning en dan door een doorvoerrubber zoals te zien in rechts van de witte pijl) naar de linker luidspreker leggen en vandaar onder de hoedenplank naar de rechter luidspreker leggen. In het interieur vindt de kabelverbinding aan de linker kant van de auto plaats, in de daar aanwezige kabelgoot langs de hoofdkabelboom. Onder de bestuurdersstoel wordt de kabel langs de dwarsdrager naar de middenconsole gelegd en vanuit daar naar de eventuele fader en de radio.
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 27 dec 2020, 18:44

Super bedankt voor de tips, hier kan ik verder mee!
De hoedenplank demonteren is inderdaad het makkelijkst.
Waar zitten de 3 schroeven van
de achterbank / rugleuning?

Groet Koen.
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor MBreed » 27 dec 2020, 19:17

Eerst haal je de zitting weg en dan zitten er links en rechts aan de onderkant van de leuning twee parkers en in het midden achter de armsteun nog eentje.
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor VmaX » 28 dec 2020, 12:07

Ter aanvulling als je straks de speakertjes rondom op je nieuwe radio goed hebt zitten zul je merken dat het geluid "wel aardig" is maar je zult met zulke kleine speakers altijd het "laag" missen.
Het is vrij makkelijk olm een platte actieve subwoofer onder je achterbank te leggen en je weet dan niet wat je hoort! :shock:
Stel de woofer zo in dat ie precies dat laag geeft wat je speakers missen en je zit ineens in een concertzaal :D
Ik heb deze TS-WX210A onder mijn bak liggen:
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 28 dec 2020, 12:25

Ontzettend bedankt voor jullie tips mannen! Vanmorgen de achterbank en hoedenplank gedemonteerd.
Ook de Oude radio is eruit en de oude boxen voorin. Het valt me weer op dat het een hele fijne auto is om.aan te werken. Alles zit logisch in elkaar.

Heb via de zoekfunctie opgezocht welke kleuren draad welke functie hebben. Is het raadzaam de oude stekker van Mercedes te laten zitten? Ook heb ik nog een vrij lange zwarte draad losgehaald. Waar is deze voor?

Zal ook nog wat foto's toevoegen..
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 28 dec 2020, 12:31

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Ik denk dat ik het beste de bedrading van de radio kan losknippen en aan de iso stekker solderen? Of direct aan de hoofdkabelboom?

En de functie van de radioverlichting heeft die nog nut bij de nieuwe generatie radio's?
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 28 dec 2020, 14:15

Toch maar verder gegaan, heb de originele stekker intact geladen en van d oude radio losgeknipt en aan de iso stekker gesoldeerd. Alleen waar moet de blauw / witte (remote control) antenne op aangesloten worden zodat straks bij gebruik de antenne uitschuift?

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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor MBreed » 28 dec 2020, 14:48

Absoluut originele kabelboom intact laten! Als je ooit terug wilt naar een Becker is er niks verkloot en ook een eventuele toekomstige koper zal hier blij mee zijn. Het is namelijk veel werk alles weer te herstellen en de originele stekkers zijn ook zeldzaam aan het worden, omdat iedereen ze heeft afgeknipt. Er zijn ook gewoon verloopstekkers te koop van origineel naar de ISO-stekkers. Dat vind ik persoonlijk de mooiste oplossing. Bijvoorbeeld:

https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/153584344052

De antenne is geloof ik oranje in de ISO stekker. Afhankelijk van de functies van je radio zal de geschakelde verlichting wel of niet nodig zijn.
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 28 dec 2020, 15:38

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Super mooie oplossing met die verloop.
Is dat ook voor die speciale speaker stekkers?
En is die zwarte draad met enkel kabel schoentje de antenne draad? Zie foto. Kan die op de blauw witte van de iso?
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor MBreed » 28 dec 2020, 15:46

Ja de verloopstekkers zijn voor de stroom, verlichting, antenne en voor de originele luidsprekerstekkers. Jij hebt dan in principe alleen die linker verloopstekker nog nodig.

Hier nog goedkoper: https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Mercedes-R ... SwVCldC7tA

Ik weet niet welke luidsprekers je plant voor voor en achter, maar dit bedrijf maakt ze op maat voor de auto met originele adapterstekkers ook. Ik heb deze zelf achter in mijn W123 gemonteerd, dat was weliswaar 13cm, maar klinkt goed voor het formaat.

Voor: https://herrndorff-elektronik.de/lautsp ... l-adapter#

Achter: https://herrndorff-elektronik.de/lautsp ... kl-adapter

Ik was in de war. Oranje is de verlichting, blauw wit inderdaad de voeding voor de antenne. Zie schema. Die zwarte losse kabel in de auto is inderdaad de antennevoeding. Als ik het zo zie heb jij geen oranje in die ISO-stekker, dus heb je geen geschakelde verlichting.
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 28 dec 2020, 16:43

Echt heel hartelijk dank. Zag bij Winparts dat ze de stekker daar ook verkochten dus heb meteen eentje besteld. Moest toch nog meer hebben daar.
Ben ook blij met de kleurcodes nu is alles zoals het hoort en netjes aangesloten.
Heb pioneer speakers voor voor en achter besteld. Hoop alleen dat ze achter niet te diep zijn, ze komen morgen binnen dus afwachten. Gaan we dan weer verder hobbyen.

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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 02 jan 2021, 20:55

Vandaag de puntjes op de i gezet. Tijdens demontage hoedenplank bleek deze gescheurd te zijn, maar gelukkig valt het verder niet op. Het vilt isnog helemaal heel.
Had hier op het forum ook al een berichtje uitstaan voor een vervanging maar ik vermoed dat ze zeldzaam zijn?

Helaas waren de speakers iets te groot en iets te diep.
Heb ik opgelost met een ring gemaakt van MDF.
Al met al tevreden met het resultaat en perfect geluid.

Wat ikwel vreemd vind.. ik kan als het contact uitstaat de radio niet aanzetten. Constante spanning is wel aanwezig en zenders onthoud de radio ook.
Verder weinig aan de hand het is zoals het is.

Hierbij een foto van resultaat. Bedankt voor jullie tips en inbreng!!!

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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor MBreed » 02 jan 2021, 23:12

Goed om te zien dat het gelukt is! Voor het aanzetten van de radio met de motor uit bestaat de accessoirestand bij Mercedes. Eerste stand op het slot.
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor MBSLC » 03 jan 2021, 08:44

Mooi afgewerkt met die ring !
STERREN STRALEN AAN DE HEMEL, STERREN STRALEN OP DE WEG !
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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor Koen84 » 06 jan 2021, 21:30

Nog 1 laatste vraagje.
hoedenplank bleek bij demontage niet helemaal goed maar is gerepareerd. Ook de boxen zitten wat mij betreft nu prima.
Ik kan echter nog een strakke hoedenplank zonder gaten kopen voor 75 euro. is dat redelijk?

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Re: Radio en speakers veranderen?

Berichtdoor MBreed » 06 jan 2021, 23:08

Een niet verkleurde zwarte hoedenplank in goede staat. Ja dan is 75€ zeker heel redelijk.
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