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Deurpaneel probleem : Interieur W201

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Deurpaneel probleem

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Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Musicman » 19 feb 2018, 17:43

Beste W201 vrienden,
Heb een probleem met het L. achter binnen-deurpaneel. De rand die eigenlijk mooi gelijk moet liggen met de raamrubberrand is op een zeker moment wat naar boven gekomen. Dit vooral op de plek van de "stift" van de deurvergrendeling. Zodoende is het al een poos zo geweest dat, wanneer ik de auto open met de sleutel, de stift nét onder de rand van het paneel liggend, de rand omhoog drukt als ik de auto ontgrendel. Heb het paneel uitgebouwd dit weekend. Dacht dat er wel iets opnieuw te verlijmen zou zijn, maar dat is niet het geval. E.e.a. weer teruggeplaatst en
zit nu nog steeds met dit probleem. De rand staat zó ver omhoog en iets naar binnen dat de stift er altijd onder (en iets opzij..) schiet als ik de wagen afsluit. Bij openen licht de stift dan de rand weer op. :x . Een noodoplossing is om er een stuk (krimp) kous over te schuiven als gatgeleiding zodat de stift weer door het gaatje gaat. Noodoplossing en het ziet er niet uit. Heeft iemand zoiets al eens gehad en er een oplossing voor gevonden? Hoor graag eventuele suggesties!
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Sirvan » 19 feb 2018, 20:23

Hallo Rob,

Bij de W124 is dit makkelijker te verhelpen met bijvoorbeeld een zwarte posterstrip, wat lijkt op het raamrubber. Ik weet niet of het bij de W201 ook zo op te lossen is? Het is namelijk een erg vervelend en veelvoorkomend probleem. Als dat zou kunnen zou alles weer netjes op z'n plek moeten zitten.

Link: http://www.w124club.nl/interieur-omgekr ... t4759.html
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Musicman » 19 feb 2018, 22:13

Dank je Sirvan, voor je reactie. Het punt bij mijn 190D is dat de bovenrand te ver naar boven staat.
Hij zou op het voorste deel in de buurt van de lock-stift sterker "omgevouwen" moeten zijn. Het bovenste oppervlak ligt nu zó hoog dat bij vergrendeling de stift ónder de rand en het gat verdwijnt. Dit met averechts effect als je 'm ontgrendelt want dan duwt de stift (die nu naast het gat zit) de rand naar boven.
Het kunstleer is overal nog strak op z'n plek op de rand, dus dat is op zichzelf het probleem niet.
Een "Lucas-strip" lost bij mij het probleem niet op. De hoek van het "karton /spaan" moet eigenlijk verder omgezet worden. Nat maken omdrukken en föhnen?? Listig!
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Nico190E » 19 feb 2018, 22:53

Volgens mij hoort in dat gaatje 'n plastic busje met randje.
Zodat het knopje in dat busje moet schuiven, tenminste zo zit het bij mij.

mvg Nico
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Musicman » 20 feb 2018, 17:41

Ja Nico, dat klopt natuurlijk. Heb het mooie geleidebusje er even uitgehaald om zo een wat wijder gat te krijgen
wat bovenvermelde opduw, met verdere vervorming voorkomt. Dus: tijdelijke noodmaatregel met extra stukje krimpkous over het staafje heen om de lengte wat langer te maken zodat-ie niet onder de rand blijft hangen bij openen van slot.
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » 20 feb 2018, 19:52

Hoi Rob
je moet het paneel er weer even af halen en dan de bovenrand iets proberen om te buigen....als ik het goed heb (bij de W124 wel ) zit er bovenin een stalen versterking ...en deze wil wel eens ombuigen door het vele in en uitbouwen.

Het gaat om de linker achterdeur (zwart)...ik zal dit weekend eens kijken of ik nog wat heb liggen voor je.
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Vlim » 20 feb 2018, 20:48

Die rand wordt in een rubber strip op zijn plek gehouden. Als die strip wat teveel ruimte heeft, schiet hij er ook uit.

Je zou kunnen proberen die ruimte in de rubber strip op te vullen met iets, zodat de deurkaart er weer goed in klemt. Ook kun je proberen de deurkaart aan de binnen/onderzijde iets te versterken zodat hij zijn vorm weer terug krijgt.
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Musicman » 22 feb 2018, 20:05

Ja, hij moet er weer uit. Dank voor jullie suggesties. Bij de W201 is de bovenste "bocht" niet versterkt met metaal.
Dat zou dit probleem zeker voorkomen hebben.
'tIs gewoon van dat geperste "karton/spaanders" materiaal dat kennelijk aan de bovenkant door o.a. de zon wat lijkt
terug te lopen uit de geperste vorm.
Soort ontspanning. Ga proberen met wat föhn verhitting de vorm te herstellen. Eventueel een Al. strip met de juiste hoek er in lijmen! Wacht hier mee tot na de koude periode.........
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Musicman » 24 feb 2018, 16:41

Kon natuurlijk typisch weer niet wachten.... Paneel er weer uit en heb "de vouw" van vlak naar rand wat met water
bevochtigd en een en ander in de klemmen gezet. Zit nu goed, maar of het straks bij losnemen zo blijft....?
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Musicman » 08 maart 2018, 13:35

Beste W201 vrienden,
Hier even het verslag van het eindresultaat. Na de inklemming was de rand vrijwel perfect. Heb 'm toch nog even in de hoek van de "vouw" licht bevochtigd en met een föhn de laatste afwijking er uit gehaald. Warm laat dit materiaal zich aardig vervormen. Heb overwogen om zoals eerder geadviseerd een verstijving in hoek aan te brengen. Zou erg goed gaan met epoxy en een glasvezelband stukje. Dan is alles echt vormvast. Gezien het behaalde resultaat nu wacht ik daar nog mee. Kan altijd nog. Plaatje van resultaat gaat hierbij.
Nu nog even iets opbiechten... Hoor het gelach al van de gemeente. Bij het uitnemen van het paneel heb ik ook het ronde
inzetstukje waar de deurstift door omhoog steekt verwijderd ( zie eerdere foto). Dacht "dat moet ik goed en veilig bewaren, zo'n klein dingetje...". Enfin, heb het hele huis doorzocht en overal gekeken. Typisch nu compleet onvindbaar, compleet wég, verdwenen.....
Echt wat voor mij dus. :oops: Ik ga er nu over denken om de vloerbedekking in de kamer op te nemen.... :lol:
Dank jullie voor de hulp en suggesties!
Hartelijke groet,
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Rojo124 » 08 maart 2018, 19:25

Ziet er weer goed uit Rob !!...mooi hoor
het is een probleem he! bij de W124 ook...omgekrulde deurkaartranden.......vooral bij de oudere mopf...de iets nieuwere
mopf 1 hebben er geen last van.

volgens mij ontstaat het probleem ook door het vele malen de/monteren van de deurkaarten..... bij het weer monteren druk je het model uit de bovenkant deurkaart.......mijn kaarten zijn er al vele malen af geweest...maar dat heb je nu eenmaal bij de 30+ Benzen.

gr Ron
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Musicman » 09 maart 2018, 13:15

Dank je, Ron, voor je waardering. Erg leuk. Overigens was dít deurpaneel er nog nooit eerder af geweest. De auto staat onder een carport en heeft ochtendzon aan de betreffende kant. Bij het voorportier begint-ie ook een beetje,en ook aande voorste kant. Aan de rechter kant van de wagen is alles 100%. Misschien dus ook wat invloed van zonnewarmte
over lange termijn?
Heb het doorvoer-ringetje niet meer kunnen opsporen. Misschien heeft iemand een oude deur of sloop-karton waar hij nog in zit...? Zou ik erg blij mee zijn...!
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor MBSLC » 10 maart 2018, 10:16

Wat ik in zo'n geval altijd heb is dat ik dan zo'n insteekring wel weer terugvind, na tijden, maar dan geen idee meer heb waar het van is.

En een half jaar later, schiet het me dan weer te binnen, maar dan heb ik het natuurlijk al weggegooid :sick:

Dan weet je alvast wat je te wachten staat :mrgreen:

Mooie reportage ! Dank !
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Musicman » 10 maart 2018, 19:39

Dat klinkt zéér bekend......!
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Vlim » 11 maart 2018, 12:35

De 'geen idee wat het is' bak in de garage is een prima oplossing. :)
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 12 maart 2018, 09:04

Ja, maar waar stond die ook al weer? :S
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Re: Deurpaneel probleem

Berichtdoor Musicman » 13 maart 2018, 14:39

Ommetje langs locale sloperij had resultaat. Alles weer netjes.
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