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Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Rochdi » 24 aug 2017, 14:04

Hallo beste leden

Ik heb een probleem met mij 190D 2,5 bij koude start tikt hij heel hard.
Het lijkt wel of een verstuiver defect is. De auto rookt verder niet ik las ergens
Dat het ook aan de klepsoters kan liggen iemand enig idee moter loopt verder goed en
Rookt niet. Heb hem laatst met total olie vervangen 10w 40 ik was op dat moment in het buitenland
En dat was enige betrouwbare olie op dat moment.


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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 25 aug 2017, 07:50

Bij je vorige pprobleem heb je "iets" aan de pomp gesteld, toen was je probleem van gas geven opgelost, misschien heeft dat hier mee te maken.
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Bromgabber » 25 aug 2017, 11:38

Klepstoter/spruitstuk of pakking/ krukaslager/ lekkende verstuiver etc kan allemaal.
Waar komt het geluid vandaan?
Is het alleen koude start en als je hem daarna start geen tik meer?
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Musicman » 26 aug 2017, 15:00

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Heb exact hetzelfde probleem gehad met mijn 2.5D. Denk dat hier hetzelfde aan de hand is. Het zijn zeer waarschijnlijk dus de hydraulische klepstoters. Als je die vervangt en je start de motor weer is alles prachtig stil. De klus is gemakkelijk zelf te doen. Op Ebay.de staan de stotersets (W201 hydrostöszel) aangeboden en een goede set van 10 stuks kost je ongeveer 130,00 Euro. Deze zijn qua design beter dan de originele. Verder alleen nieuwe klepdekselpakking nodig afgezien van een stuk touw en een paar tiewraps.
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Nico190E » 26 aug 2017, 20:19

Ja, weet niet of het bij dit type ook is.
Maar onder elk klepstotertje zit 'n vrij dun veertje (ringetje), verlies dit niet, moet terug :D
Al meer dan 23 jaar plezier aan dit oudje, dus genieten.
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Gombal » 27 aug 2017, 08:51

Bij een diesel in ieder geval niet, klepstoter zit koud op de bovenzijde klepsteel, geen andere onderdelen ertussen.
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 27 aug 2017, 13:49

Nico spreekt over een benzine, daar zit de hydraulische stoter in de tuimelaar, gevolgd door een stelplaatje en de genoemde borgveer.
zoals op de foto hierboven te zien, zitten de hydraulische stoters bij een diesel direct in de kop (op de manier zoals Gombal beschrijft).
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Gombal » 27 aug 2017, 14:25

De TS heeft de vraag over een 2,5 liter diesel gesteld, vandaar mijn opmerking, wordt anders redelijk verwarrend ;) .
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 27 aug 2017, 20:48

Nu je het over de TS hebt, het blijft aardig stil vanuit die hoek...
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Musicman » 27 aug 2017, 22:01

De oorspronkelijke vraag gaat duidelijk (!) over een 2.5 Diesel. Lijkt me goed alvorens met niet-ter-zake-doende reacties op de proppen te komen eerst de vraag goed te begrijpen. Wordt anders zeer verwarrend en misleidend voor de vraagsteller... :roll:
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 28 aug 2017, 11:48

Nico geeft aan dat hij het niet zeker weet of het van toepassing is en deelt zijn ervaring.
Iedereen draagt naar beste kunnen, eer en geweten zijn steentje bij.

Ik ben benieuwd of de motor van TS nog altijd harde tikken laat horen bij de koude start.
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Rochdi » 29 aug 2017, 21:23

Zijn de klepstoters makkelijk zelf te vervangen? Wat laat ze eiegenlijl zo hard timken



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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor SetaniLea » 30 aug 2017, 12:33

Maak er eens een video van? Zodat we horen wat het probleem is, zomaar tikken kan niet in 3 tellen komen, als het blok altijd rustig gedraaid heeft.
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Prometheus » 30 aug 2017, 13:17


"Weten wat men weet en weten wat men niet weet is en "
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Re: Harde tik bij koude start

Berichtdoor Musicman » 30 aug 2017, 15:35

Het vervangen van de stoters is niet moeilijk en is goed te doen door iemand met elementaire sleutel ervaring. Zoals boven al kort beschreven te werk gaan. Tandwiel van de nokkenas zit simpel vast met een moer. Voordat je het tandwiel losneemt natuurlijk de ketting goed fixeren (tie-raps) aan het tandwiel, dan voorzichtig het tandwiel naar voren eraf en tegelijkertijd de ketting strak houden! Dan met touwtje of iets dergelijks dit geheel strak fixeren. De ketting mag nergens kunnen verspringen!
Het verwijderen van de nokkenas moet door het losnemen van de lagerkappen op zodanige wijze gebeuren dat er geen hoge buigspanning op de as onstaat. Dus niet ruwweg alle kappen ineens losdraaien, maar van binnen naar buiten werkend steeds een klein beetje lossen. De foto boven illustreert een en ander vrij aardig. 'tIs niet ingewikkeld en geeft na deze tune-up een fantastische verbetering.
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