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Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Jeroen92 » 29 mei 2017, 11:36

Hallo,

Ik heb sinds kort een 190 2.0 automaat. Ik ben zelf best wel een audiofiel en ben nieuwsgierig welke oplossing jullie zouden adviseren.

Ik heb. de originele radio inmiddels vervangen voor een Pioneer bluetooth radio, maar ik ben absoluut niet tevreden over het geluid. Ik weet dat er 10cm speakers in het dashboard zitten, maar ik zou hier toch wel wat meer uit willen halen.

Wat zou beter klinken in de auto?
Een goede 2 of 3 weg speaker OF een composetje van 10cm (tweeters en woofers los)

Het geluid kaatst nu tegen de voorruit en ik mis sowieso bass, dus er komt sowieso in de toekomst een subwoofer. Of dat actief is (onder de achterbank of stoelen) of versterkt weet ik nog niet.

Groet,

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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor W201Class » 29 mei 2017, 22:14

Audio in onze auto's is een zwakke punt. Dashboard heeft geen klankkast, daar zal nooit bass uitkomen. Hoedenplank zelfde verhaal. Dus een actieve voor onder de stoel/achterbank of een kist in de kofferbak. Dat laatste heb ik omdat een actieve onder de stoel/bank niet diep genoeg gaat.


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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Jeroen92 » 30 mei 2017, 08:26

[quote="W201Class"][/quote]

Het gaat mij niet zozeer om de bass, maar meer om de middentonen en hoge tonen. Vandaar dat ik twijfel over een 2-weg speaker of een composet. Er zit nog een behoorlijk prijsverschil tussen de twee.

Wat bedoel je met dat de bass niet diep genoeg gaat? komt er überhaupt nog wel bass uit die krengen?

Zo'n platte subwoofer kost toch al gauw 140 euro. Ik kan een subwoofer met versterker op marktplaats kopen voor 35.
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor FerryB » 30 mei 2017, 09:05

Hallo Jeroen,

Wat is je originele radio?
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Jeroen92 » 30 mei 2017, 10:30

[quote="FerryB"][/quote]

Een Becker variant, type weet ik niet zo snel. Radio is overigens niet te koop :lol:
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor ronaldddvos » 30 mei 2017, 11:33

Jeroen,

Ik zag de auto op autoblog.
Heb daar ook nog gereageerd.
Als je goeie bass wilt heb ik EVT nog een subwoofer met kabels te koop.
Zit momenteel in mijn 190er maar die gaat er morgen uit.
EVT kan ik hem ook voor je inbouwen, weet niet waar je woont.

Stuur maar een PBtje als je intresse hebt.
Ik heb er JVC 10CM boxen er in.

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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Jeroen92 » 30 mei 2017, 11:35

[quote="ronaldddvos"][/quote]


Ah! Ik herken je nickname :)

klinken de jvc's goed?
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 30 mei 2017, 11:37

Jeroen,

Denk hier even aan svp
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Jeroen92 » 30 mei 2017, 11:40

Ik zag het nadat ik opnieuw een quote geplaatst had :) Ik zal er op letten
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor W201Class » 30 mei 2017, 13:16

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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Lingo » 30 mei 2017, 20:43

Ik heb, in mijn auto, als headunit een Becker Indianapolis.
In het dashboard een 2-weg systeem van Pioneer, en achterin onder de orginele speakerkapjes 13cm 3-weg Panasonic.
Onder de achterbank een "underseat" subwoofer van Pioneer, gekocht op Marktplaats.
Ik kan je zeggen; 300% verbetering van het laag.
Met de a.b. in het kastje kan ik de hoeveelheid laag bijregelen.
De reden waarom ik gekozen heb voor de underseat sub is dat ik geen losse kist en versterker wilde in de kofferbak.
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Jeroen92 » 31 mei 2017, 07:56

De afstandbediening heb je mooi weggewerkt!

Ik heb gisteravond nieuwe speakers besteld en hoop dat die al aanzienlijk beter klinken dan de huidige.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01MDJDLXX/ref ... 01_TE_item

Ik heb een setje Kicker gekocht van de CS serie (CSC4). Als ik naar de afmetingen kijk zou het moeten passen :)

Wat de subwoofer betreft: Ik wil geen pompende subwoofer waardoor de achterklep trilt en de deurpanelen (die tijd heb ik gehad). Ik wil juist een goede ondersteuning qua lage tonen. Ik denk als ik het zo hoor dat een platte subwoofer daar wel aan tegemoet komt.
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Feyenoord4ever » 31 mei 2017, 14:25

Dag Jeroen

Zoals door W201class al genoemd is audio niet het sterkste punt van een W201. Simpelweg omdat je voor het produceren van lage tonen een klankkast nodig hebt; en die heb je niet in het dashboard en ook niet in de hoedenplank. Je kunt er hele dure 10 cm speakers tegenaan gooien wat je wil, maar daarmee creëer je geen geluid in het onderste frequentiebereik.
Ik gebruik dezelfde actieve sub als Lingo onder de achterbank (past zonder aanpassingen). Voordeel van dit model is dat je hem kan aansluiten op de speakeruitgang van een radio (splitten vanaf de speakerdraad naar de achterspeakers), waardoor je hem ook kunt gebruiken in combinatie met bijv. een oude Becker radio die niet beschikt over een speciale woofer aansluiting.
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Jeroen92 » 31 mei 2017, 15:20

Vandaar dat ik ook een subwoofer wil voor de lage tonen. Wat ik van voor verwacht is dat de midden en hoge tonen in ieder geval 'helder' klinken en niet dof zoals ze nu doen.

Ik heb de MVH-X580BT van Pioneer en daar zit gewoon een RCA output op voor subwoofers :)
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor WWW » 31 mei 2017, 15:29

Een subwoofer in de kofferbak is ook niet ideaal. De trillingen komen niet naar voren omdat er een metalen schot tussen je kofferbak en rugleuning zit. (Heb t gehad namelijk)
Zo`n klein subwoofertje onder de achterbank haalt dan meer uit.

Heb er zelf ook een ingelegd en was zeer sceptisch in het begin.
Echter klinkt het zeer goed, sta er soms nog steeds van versteld!

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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Jeroen92 » 26 jun 2017, 12:34

Ik heb inmiddels de speakers van Kicker (4") geïnstalleerd. Het geluid is er flink op vooruitgegaan, ik merk vooral dat er veel meer hoge tonen aanwezig zijn (dat was ook mijn doel). Ik heb via mijn werk een aantal cadeaubonnen gehad en ik ben van plan om binnenkort (volgende maand) een subwoofer aan te schaffen.

Ik zag dat Pioneer twee modellen had. Zoals hierboven al aangegeven een TS-WX120a, maar ik zag ook de TS-WX210a. Verschillen tussen de twee in specs vallen mee. De WX210a kan 101db (WX120a 98db), maar de frequentie kan maar tot 40hz laag en 150hz hoog (WX120a kan vanaf 30hz tot 160hz).

Nu weet ik dat specs niet alles zeggen en dat de klankkast ook veel doet. De WX120a heeft ongeveer 4 liter inhoud t.o.v. 7 liter in de WX210a.

Zal de WX210a meer "punch" hebben doordat de kast een groter volume heeft?



WX120a
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Mercedes-1994 » 28 jun 2017, 08:50

Ik heb zelf in mijn 190 een complete audioset ingebouwd. 2 maal dashboard speaker voorin a 50w rms. Achter 6x9 speaker a 150w rms en een sub van 300w rms in klankkast in de kofferbak. Geluid komt goed en flink naar voren. En owja dan een versterker 1200w. Lees maar eens als je wilt weten hoe of wat :) viewtopic.php?t=13472

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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor VmaX » 28 jun 2017, 14:43

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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor Jeroen92 » 29 jun 2017, 11:40

@VmaX Ik heb hem zojuist besteld :-)
Er zat volgens mij maar een korte RCA kabel bij. Kan jij dit bevestigen?
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Re: Speakers vervangen

Berichtdoor VmaX » 29 jun 2017, 19:22

Alle kabels die ik er bij had waren lang genoeg om de box aan te sluiten en onder de achterbank weg te werken
De Remote control had ik gewoon in de middenconsole liggen
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