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cardandemper vervangen, welke?

Berichtdoor Dirk Pauwels » 19 apr 2017, 00:16

Mijn W201-200D heeft last van schudden, het hier genoede bonanza effect. Daarom wil ik de demper vervangen. Bij taxiteile.de worden twee types aangeboden. Bij de ene staat beschreven "niet voor taxi" bij de andere wel voor taxi. Welke zou dan de meest stugge zijn?
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Re: cardandemper vervangen, welke?

Berichtdoor Gombal » 19 apr 2017, 09:52

Beide zijn niet voor een 200D of 250D. Deze exemplaren, als de foto klopt zijn voor een 300D W124.
Bij een 200D of 250D is het centrale gat kleiner omdat de trillingsdemper tussen de hardyschijf en de cardanas flens komt. Bij een 300D schuift hij over de cardanas vandaar het grotere gat.
Je moet een Febi 10171 hebben of equivalent, dat is de goede.
En Google even goed, je hebt prijzen van 60 tot 130 euro voor dezelfde demper.
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Re: cardandemper vervangen, welke?

Berichtdoor Gombal » 19 apr 2017, 15:54

Let er ook op dat ze bij trillingsdempers de steek eigenlijk niet goed aangeven, ze schrijven 80 mm maar dat vertaald zich in het echt in 90 mm steek. Dit komt omdat ze bij een trillingsdemper de afstand tussen 2 van de gaten meten van de demper terwijl er bij een hardyschijf gemeten wordt tussen 2 tegen overliggende gaten.
Een 2 liter diesel heeft een echte steek van 80 mm en en dus een steek van 70 mm bij een trillingsdemper. Dit maakt het ook nog eens een stuk verwarrender.

Verwacht echter ook geen wonderen van de demper, het bonanza effect zal blijven, check ook je hardyschijven, speling op de spiebanen, differentieel en kruiskoppeling.
Je krijgt het nooit helemaal weg, de handgeschakelde diesels blijven een gevoelig en fluwelen voetje vragen om zonder bonanza'en over te schakelen of gas los/gas geven te rijden.
Elk beetje speling in elk rubbertje in de aandrijving en achterwiel ophanging heeft er effect op. (Subframe rubbers bijv)
Er zijn ook exemplaren met een extra stangenstelsel van het gasgeef gebeuren maar die steunt af tegen de linkerzijde bij de veerpoot. Als je er goed naar kijkt zie je dat dat systeem het eigenlijk verergert, de actie op het gasgeven werkt precies versterkend ivm kantelen van de motor. Zonder dit extra gebeuren rijdt het eigenlijk gewoon beter.
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Re: cardandemper vervangen, welke?

Berichtdoor Dirk Pauwels » 20 apr 2017, 23:13

Beste Gombal, ik zal eens een foto plaatsen van de demper bij mijn auto, want ik kan Uw uitleg niet goed volgen. U schrijft dat de demper tussen de hardy schijf en de cardan zit. Heb ik dan geen demper of geen hardyschijf want ik zie maar 1 rubberen schijf en dat ziet er nog anders uit dan het type waar U naar verwijst. Ik heb nog wel een hardy-schijf tussen het cardan en het differentieel.
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Re: cardandemper vervangen, welke?

Berichtdoor Gombal » 21 apr 2017, 12:35

Zeg maar jij hoor ;)
Waar de rode menie zit op je foto is het restant van je trillingsdemper alleen de binnenste ring zit er nog. De rubber schijf die er nog wel zit is je hardyschijf, de verbinding tussen je versnellingsbak en je cardanas.
Waarschijnlijk heb jij bij een bepaald toerental (ik had het bij mijn W124 250D bij 1500 toeren toen mijn trillingsdemper er net zo uitzag :mrgreen: ) een brom in de aandrijflijn zitten, dit wordt veroorzaakt door het ontbreken van je trillingsdemper.
Zal even een plaatje opzoeken hoe het er echt uit hoort te zien.
Eerste 2 plaatjes zijn van 5 jaar geleden bij mijn 250D, losse ring is wat jij ook kwijt bent.
De andere plaatjes van vanochtend, heb toevallig vanochtend mijn voorste hardyschijf gewisseld.
Op de plaatjes kun je zien dat er 2 ringen aan de voorzijde zitten, dat is zoals het hoort.
Ik moet zelf ook nog mijn trillingsdemper vervangen, zitten al scheurtjes in het rubber en de volgende stap is dat de metalen ring helemaal loskomt van de binnenring en dan ziet het er ook weer uit zoals bij jou en bij mij 5 jaar geleden ;)
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Re: cardandemper vervangen, welke?

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Re: cardandemper vervangen, welke?

Berichtdoor Dirk Pauwels » 21 apr 2017, 18:42

Bedankt voor de goede uitleg, nu kan ik de juiste onderdelen bestellen. De vorige eigenaar had 26 rubbers laten vervangen van de ophanging maar die demper dus niet. Ik heb ook maar meteen de olie vervangen van het differentieel en de versnellingsbak, die was al heel vuil.
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Re: cardandemper vervangen, welke?

Berichtdoor Gombal » 21 apr 2017, 22:02

Na het vervangen van mijn voorste hardyschijf is mijn bonanza effect gedecimeerd, bijna weg. En als het er wel is dan hoef ik alleen gas te geven en het is weg. Moet zeggen dat mijn achterste hardyschijf nog goed is.
Dus trillingsdemper is idd om trillen/bronnen te dempen. Een goede hardyschijf voor (en achter) zal je bonanza gevoel als het goed is drastisch verminderen.
Neem geen taxi hardyschijf, die is veel harder en heeft de demping er niet inzitten. Als je naar het plaatje met de 2 hardyschijven los kijktt zie je naast de bussen 3 kleine gaatjes zitten, dit zorgt voor de demping van je speling in je aandrijflijn. Taxi exemplaar heeft dat niet.
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