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Achterremmen vastgelopen : Techniek W201

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Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Kieft » 15 okt 2014, 15:26

Vanochtend zijn mijn achter remmen vastgelopen (beide schijven waren vuurrood), Door de ANWB zijn de los gehaald door de nippel bij de remklauw los te halen waardoor ze ontlucht waren (dacht ik). Meneer van de ANWB kon mij niet exact vertellen of de hoofdrem cilinder kapot was of vervuiling in de remleidingen. Voorzichtig naar huis gereden waar ze toen ik bijna thuis weer waren vast gelopen en lichtjes begonnen te gloeien.

Nu mijn vraag:
- Is er een mogelijkheid om zelf te controleren of de hoofdrem cilinder kapot is en dit uit te sluiten ?
- En als die kapot is... is vervangen een klusje wat je zelf kan doen ?
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Bastian-Hoen » 15 okt 2014, 15:38

hoe ziet je remolie er uit?
en hoe oud is die?
http://www.fulica.nl (sorry nog steeds weinig foto's
let op wij zijn geen bedrijf ( de classics) maar wij zijn bezig met een hobby
in een mooie grote sleutel hal in Doetinchem

beschikken over EPC van Wensink
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor GW300 » 15 okt 2014, 16:03

Neem geen risico, monteer of laat een nieuwe hoofdremcylinder monteren.
Kijk meteen naar de toestand van de remslangen.
Uiteraard ook de remvloeistof vervangen.

Heb je geen ervaring met dit soort werkzaamheden laat het dan door een goede garage doen.
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor DonPistoni » 15 okt 2014, 21:03

Dan komt het compensatiegaatje in de hoofdremcilinder misschien niet vrij in neutraal stand. Kan vuil zijn.

Voor helemaal niks? Heb je ABS?
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor GekkeHenkie » 15 okt 2014, 21:05

Zou zelf eerst remslangen achter vervangen. En de remolie ververs je dan mee. Dit zijn de kosten niet is het dan nog niet goed dan wordt het toch de hoofdremcilinder.

Controleer ook even je reservoir. Als er veel vuil in zit kan het gaatje verstopt zitten. En kijk ook even naar de remleidingen onder de auto of er geen buts cq knik in zit.

Wel vreemd dat het zo plotseling optreed
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Bert190 » 15 okt 2014, 21:06

Ja, en wat dacht je van de klauwen en schijven?

Die schijven zijn zo heet geweest dat hun structuur veranderd is, en nu waarschijnlijk slingeren, en de klauwen (daar zaten de cilinders waarschijnlijk al in vastgeroest,) zijn ook zo heet geworden dat de stofrubbers en keerringen om de zuigers heen nu wel verbrand/verpulvert zijn.

Dus, ben je zuinig op je auto, en wil je zelf ook nog wat jaartjes mee, vervang je zeker de schijven/blokken/remklauwen.

Pak het gewoon goed aan!
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Kieft » 16 okt 2014, 07:44

Breng hem naar de garage die kunnen met zekerheid zeggen wat er alleen vervangen moet worden want voor mij blijft het gissen iig bedankt voor het mee denken
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Semrick » 16 okt 2014, 10:49

Ik heb ditzelfde een keer gehad met een W123. Toen was het de hoofdremcylinder die niet goed was. Vreemd genoeg was dat toen een nieuwe die net gemonteerd was. Maar na het vervangen van de hoofdremcylinder was het probleem verholpen.
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor GW300 » 16 okt 2014, 21:42

Laat het complete remsysteem controleren en wees niet te zuinig met het vervangen van onderdelen.
Dit soort storingen komt niet voor bij een auto die goed periodiek onderhoud krijgt.
Remslangen zijn wel verdacht maar de oorzaak is waarschijnlijk vuil in de hoofdremcylinder.
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Bert190 » 16 okt 2014, 22:21

GW300, Inmiddels heb ik toch al wat 190's gezien met roestige achterremschijven, wat er in mijn ervaring op duid dat de remzuigers v/d achterremmen vast zitten, zijnde door vuil of roest, dat laat ik even in het midden.

Dit zie ik dan ook als een logischer oorzaak dan een hoofdremcilinder die mooi droog en buiten het bereik van vocht en vuil zit.

wat niet uitsluit dat het dat is, maar ik denk dat er meer 190's last hebben van vastzittende remzuigers als van verstopte hoofdremcilinders.

Ik hoop dat Kieft even laat weten wat de garage tegenkomt!?
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor GW300 » 17 okt 2014, 20:38

Niet alleen achter ook voor zitten de zuigers van de remklauwen vaak vast door roestinwerking.
Roest is weer get gevolg van te lang met verouderde remvloeistof rijden.

Blokkeren van de achterremmen aan beide kanten tegelijk vindt zijn oorzaak meestal in de hoofdremcylinder.
Ook daar is verouderde remvloeistof de oorzaak van het probleem.

Tenzij de remvloeistof aantoonbaar iedere twee jaar ververst is loont het de moeite alle remklauwen ter voorzien van nieuwe afdichtingen en stofkappen. Zuigers netjes ontriesten en polijsten.
Vervang dan ook de remslangen. Je krijgt er een perfekt remmende auto voor terug.
Piepende remmen zijn dan ook verleden tijd.
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Kieft » 19 okt 2014, 14:31

Remslang zat verstopt, dus zijn beide vervangen schijven konden nog wel even mee. Remblokken waren wel helemaal versleten dus zijn ook vervangen, remolie is ook meteen vervangen. Verder 2 koper remleidingen vervangen voor metalen.
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Spaansen » 19 okt 2014, 14:45

Als je tijd heb , en wat gevoel voor techniek

Ik heb me oude klauwen latten verzinken

eerst glasparelstralen ( bij een vriend gratis )
verzinken ( 4 remklauwen , injectie leidingen 10x , injectie houders 4 dubbelen en hoop klein materiaal ) 80,-
nieuwe seals en geleiders voor 4 rem klauwen 35,-
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Kieft » 15 nov 2014, 09:30

Kleine update; Uiteindelijk ook de remklauwen en nog de hoofdrem cilinder vervangen. Doordat de remolie ook niet goed meer was heeft dit waarschijndel remklauw aangetast of iig de cilinder. Nadat deze was vervangen liepen de remmen weer vast hierna is ook de hoofdremcilinder vervangen. Hierna is er druk op de leidingen gezet voor lekage e.d. + flinke proefrit en nu lijkt het allemaal goed
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor ScareMercy » 21 feb 2017, 00:43

"Wennst den Baum siehst, in den du rein fährst, hast untersteuern.
Wennst ihn nur hörst, hast übersteuern"
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Re: Achterremmen vastgelopen

Berichtdoor Bert190 » 21 feb 2017, 10:16

Eventueel zou je ook nog het zinklaagje uit de cilinders eruit kunnen honen. dan is ie weer terug op maat ook (al is dat maar een miniscuul verschil, en mits je niet te lang hoont natuurlijk...)
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