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Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor DelaRobbie » 30 sep 2011, 20:30

vreemd eigenlijk dat mijn 2.5 5-cilinder maar 90PK heeft, terwijl mn vorige 190E 4-cilinder er 122 had. Ik dacht dat dieselmotoren krachtiger waren dan benzinemotoren, en nu heb ik zelfs een 5 cilinder en die heeft dus minder power dan mn vorige. Niet dat ik power te kort kom hoor, maar het verbaast me.
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Re: over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor Semrick » 30 sep 2011, 20:51

Dat dieselmotoren vaak als krachtiger worden gezien heeft denk ik te maken met het feit dat het koppel van een diesel hoger is. Het is dan meer de trekkracht waar een diesel sterker in is. ;)
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Re: over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor Vinnievw » 30 sep 2011, 21:00

Het koppel van een OM602 is lager dan van een 190E.
Der letzte Mercedes, dem die Träume der Bundesrepublik noch ins Blech gepresst waren: groß, schwer, mit viel Chrom außen und einem Innenraum, der immer ein wenig nach deutschem Wohnzimmer aussah und roch, nach Holz und Leder und Sonntagsbraten
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Re: over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor HansMercedes » 30 sep 2011, 21:16

Diesels zijn vaak minder sterk [kleiner koppel] als een benzine motor ,maar ze zijn zo populair doordat ze zo zuinig met brandstof omgaan [hoger rendement] eenvoudiger kan ik het niet zeggen grt hans
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Re: over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 30 sep 2011, 21:33

Een moderne diesel heeft bijna het zelfde vermogen als een benzine blok.
Maar onze oude diesels nog niet :lol:
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Re: over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor HansMercedes » 30 sep 2011, 21:37

Dat klopt wiersma want nu hebben we comonrail diesels die vaak er ook weer een turbo op hebben zitten
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Re: over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor DelaRobbie » 30 sep 2011, 22:27

okay, minder power dus eigenlijk, grappig ik dacht altijd dat het andersom was.
Met dieselmotoren in de meeste werkpaarden van deze wereld, tractoren, vrachtwagens,
schepen e.d. zou ik dat verwachten, maar dat zal dus dan vooral met het verbruik & de bedrijfszekerheid te maken hebben dat ze in dergelijke machines te vinden zijn.
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Re: Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor Vinnievw » 30 sep 2011, 23:48

Bedrijfszekerheid (geen gevoelige ontsteking), efficiency, geen hoger verbruik tijdens warmloopfase, verminderde slijtage door lagere toerentallen waren ooit de reden om voor een diesel te kiezen ipv benzine. Tegenwoordig is het een fiscale afweging.
Der letzte Mercedes, dem die Träume der Bundesrepublik noch ins Blech gepresst waren: groß, schwer, mit viel Chrom außen und einem Innenraum, der immer ein wenig nach deutschem Wohnzimmer aussah und roch, nach Holz und Leder und Sonntagsbraten
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Re: Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor VmaX » 01 okt 2011, 10:24

Ik heb een lijstje gevonden die enig licht op deze materie kan werpen.
het gekke is dat ik ook altijd dacht te weten dat diesels meer koppel hebben en "dus" krachtiger onderin zijn. Maar bij de W201 heeft blijkbaar de inhoud van het blok meer te vertellen :)
benzine modellen hebben dus én meer Pk én meer koppel.

Diesel
Type pk koppel
2.0 73 72
2.5 94 158

Benzine
Type pk koppel
1.8 107 ?
2.0 118 178
2.3 136 205
2.6 160 228

2.3-16 177 230
2.5-16 195 240
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Re: Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor DelaRobbie » 03 okt 2011, 09:21

Vandaar de korte versnellingen zeker...
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Re: Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

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Re: Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor VmaX » 03 okt 2011, 16:04

Ik heb sowieso een beetje gemiddelden gepakt omdat er nogal wat variaties op de diverse modellen waren maar dan werd de lijst zo lang :)
De Turbo diesel was ik idd vergeten.
En de EVOI en II modellen 8-)
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Berichtdoor Ruub-ster » 03 okt 2011, 16:08

Van mijn part klap je heel die lijst hier neer, als dat voor jou niet teveel moeite is natuurlijk ;) hoe meer info we hebben, hoe beter.
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Re: Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor VmaX » 03 okt 2011, 16:13

Ik heb de gegevens hier van af gepuzzled:
http://www.baureihe201.de/W201/m102v.htm
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Re: Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor J.Hofje » 11 okt 2011, 23:44

een diesel heeft echter wel een vlakkere koppel vs toeren kromme
dit wil zeggen dat de koppel over het hele toerental redelijk gelijk ligt
dit is bij een benzine vaak meer een piek
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Re: Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

Berichtdoor VmaX » 12 okt 2011, 00:10

Ik dacht dat dat meer met 4 of 2 takt te maken had .. :unsure:
Ik kan me iig nog goed mijn allereerste motorfiets de 3 cilinder luchtgekoelde 2takt samurai mach III herinneren, die ging pas bij 8000 toeren een beetje trekken :lol:
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Re: Over PK's en diesel vs benzine motoren

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