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Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel : Diesel specifiek W201

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Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Specifieke zaken omtrent het rijden op diesel, met de W201 kunnen hier geplaatst worden zodat we alle zaken omtrent diesel hier verzameld hebben staan.

Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor MB190D » 31 okt 2010, 17:33

Ja jongens , het is eindelijk gelukt om mijn nieuwe tellerbak aan te sluiten met toerenteller.....

Ik heb me rot zitten denken , waar haal ik het TD signaal nou vandaan....

ik had maar 3 opties

1 Sensor op de poelie (retrofit) of origineel
2 W aansluiting dynamo/alternator/Lichtmaschine
3 Sensor van de bak

Nu wist ik dat er een sensor aanwezig was op de bak, omdat ik vorige week de onderkant van de auto is
heb geïnspecteerd tijdens de oliewissel...

Die kabel heb ik gevolgd, komt tussen het inlaatspruitstuk naar boven, en gaat dan richting accu.
Daar kwam ik een stekkeraansluiting tegen , is vrij verborgen, en lastig bij te komen.
Deze heb ik losgehaald en met een multimeter nagemeten, (wisselspanning).
Een kabel is min de bruine, en een witte, deze gaf 1,4 volt en liep op naar de 3 volt bij handmatig gas geven....
Daar had ik de kabel aan vastgemaakt, maar helaas deed de toerenteller toen erg vreemd, bij stationair gaf de toerenteller niks aan
en bij half gas,klapte de naald ineens naar de 2500 toeren. Dus alles losgehaald, en de is verder bekeken.

Het was heel moeilijk vinden omdat de kabel van de bovengenoemde stekker , in een dikke kabel werd opgenomen.
Maar een centimeter of 30 verder wordt deze uitgesplitst in 4voudige vertakking naar een vreemd apparaat, een zwart blok.
Deze heb ik schoongemaakt, zodat ik de tekst goed kon lezen wat er op stond.... "W201 Mercedes Kickdown unit"...

Dit blok heb ik verwijderd, en er zaten 5 pinnen op, waarvan vier gebruikt, bij pin 2 stond "TD"....... daar heb ik mijn kabel op aangesloten, en hij werkt als een tierelier..!!!!! Ben erg blij, want ik kon nergens iets vinden op internet, iedereen zegt iets anders..... maar toch gevonden......

Er gaat wel wat voorbereiding vanaf, omdat er op de nieuwe tellerunit eigenlijk een 3 polige witte stekker aangesloten zou moeten worden, die er dus niet ligt.....
Bij die pinnen staat de tekst G- , + en W

De plus aansluiting heb ik gebrugd naar de aansluiting van de tijdklok, de min gaat naar de accu toe, en de W heb ik dus aangesloten zoals boven vermeld.........

Enig probleem wat ik nu nog heb is de km teller niet correct is, heb net met de tomtom gereden, en als ik op de teller kijk dan heb ik het volgende genoteerd;

70 op de teller is 75 op de tt
100 op de teller is 110 op de tt
110 op de teller is 120 op de tt
120 op de teller is 133 op de tt

Wie weet een oplossing, ik zat te denken aan een andere bandenmaat......

mvg
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Re: GELUKT!!! toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel.....

Berichtdoor Bassje » 31 okt 2010, 17:35

Gefeliciteerd ;)
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Re: GELUKT!!! toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel.....

Berichtdoor Goofy.S » 31 okt 2010, 18:07

Mooi zo, en gefeliciteerd! Ik ga ook eens zoeken naar de oorzaak van mijn toerenteller die ermee is gestopt. Eerst aan/uit tijdens het rijden en nu helemaal gestopt.
Ook een diesel, dus nu zijn er wel wat aanknopingspunten...


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Re: GELUKT!!! toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel.....

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 31 okt 2010, 19:46

Mooi dat het gelukt is.
Ik zat niet ver mis, ik had ook alles van inet gehaald, enige vraag was of jou diesel een TD signaal had, niet alle diesels hebben dit. Ik had je idd nog willen vragen of je die sensor op de vliegwiel/startkrans had, maar dat wist je al :silly:
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Re: GELUKT!!! toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel.....

Berichtdoor Ruub-ster » 31 okt 2010, 20:23

Die kilometers, daar zou ik niet teveel aan doen als ik jou was. Inderdaad, je banden maat is het makkelijkst in dit geval.
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Re: GELUKT!!! toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel.....

Berichtdoor Merciedies » 19 nov 2010, 17:16

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Re: GELUKT!!! toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel.....

Berichtdoor Dirk-Jan » 19 nov 2010, 17:28

Gefelicteerd, is inderdaad leuk om erbij te hebben in de tellerunit, bij de auto van mijn vrouw is recentelijk ook een toerenteller geplaatst.

vwb de kilometers: Is de huidige bandenmaat dat zo afwijkend van wat de auto zou moeten hebben? En dan heb ik het natuurlijk over de rolomtrek. Anders ben je m.i. alleen maar bezig met symptoombestrijding. Als de rolomtrek (met een variatie van +/- 2 %) ongeveer de fabrieksnorm is, dan zou ik toch maar eens gaan kijken naar de km teller. Kunnen deze dingen niet bijgesteld worden?
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Re: GELUKT!!! toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel.....

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Re: GELUKT!!! toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel.....

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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Merciedies » 23 nov 2010, 09:56

Waar zit eigenlijk het zwarte blok onder de motorkap met de tekst "W201 Mercedes Kickdown unit", waar de TD aansluiting inzit. Kan je daar misschien een foto van maken..
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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Sem_190D » 04 dec 2010, 23:40

Hallo,

Ik heb ook even gezocht naar de kickdown unit en heb hem gevonden!
Hij zit achter de afscherming van de accubak, achter een plastic plaatje, als je die iets opzij duwt zie je hem zo zitten. On der de voorruit als het ware. Als je hem niet kan vinden laat het even weten dan maak ik een fototje.
Zelf wou ik de aansluiting gebruiken om de cruisecontrol op aan te sluiten.

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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Bassje » 04 dec 2010, 23:44

Ik denk dat het plaatsen van zo'n fotootje geen kwaad kan, dan heeft iedereen er wat aan :).
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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Sem_190D » 05 dec 2010, 11:52

Nou hier een fototje dan voor de liefhebbers ;)
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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Sem_190D » 05 dec 2010, 11:57

Nou heb ik een probleempje. Want mijn stekker heeft helaas maar 4 aansluitingen:
-15
-8/k
-31
-GM+

Geen aansluiting dus met TD zoals MB190d. Dus heb ik het verkeerde kastje gevonden? Of mijn auto heeft die aansluiting niet... heb een automaat dus ik weet niet of dat er mee te maken kan hebben. Iemand anders nog advies over waar een signaal te vinden?

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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 05 dec 2010, 12:44

Je kan controleren of je de toerensensor hebt.
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Op plaats 245 hoort een sensor 239 te zitten.
Als je die niet hebt, heb je ook geen TD signaal.
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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Sem_190D » 06 dec 2010, 22:15

Ok bedankt voor de duidelijke afbeelding!
Ik heb even onder de auto gelegen en volgens mij heb ik die sensor wel.
De draad loopt bij het motorblok langs omhoog en dan richting de accu. Deze komt volgens mij dan uit bij de kickdown unit dus dat moet wel kloppen... Alleen nu heb ik van het weekend al daar een splitsing op gemaakt, en hier een voltmeter opgezet. Helaas blijft deze bij mij dan 14volt aangeven, niet echt een signaal waar je een toerenteller of cruise control op aan wil sluiten. De draad was zwart/groen. Volgens mij moet dit wel kloppen, heb even gekeken naar een afbeelding die al eerder gepost was.

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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 07 dec 2010, 11:12

Heb je wel goed gemeten?
stationeer moet er +/- 4 volt wisselspanning op staan.(multimeter dus op wisselspanning)
Met de motor uit moet de weerstand tussen de 0.4-2.5 kilo ohm zijn
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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Sem_190D » 12 dec 2010, 12:58

Ok ik heb gister even de multimeter gepakt en ben wat gaan doormeten...

Nu heb ik gemeten bij de stekker L3x van de sensor op het vliegwiel. Hier kon ik geen spanning op vinden...echter wanneer ik de multimeter op Hertz zet meet ik ongeveeer 1600 hertz stationair en dit loopt dan op richting de 4000 afhankelijk van het toerental... Maarja geen 1,3 tot 4 volt wat zou moeten..

Op de zwart groene draad vanaf de kickdown unit kan ik enkel 14 volt meten... of ik nou wel of geen gas geef het maakt allemaal niks uit. De nummers waar de draden op aangesloten zijn komen trouwens niet overeen met die op de tekening, bij mij zijn juist de nummers 1 tot 6 bezet en niet 6 tot 12. Ook de kleuren kloppen niet, maarja niet alles kan kloppen denk ik dan maar:P

Iemand een idee hoe het kan dat ik geen stroom meet? Of zou mijn kickdownunit of sensor niet goed werken?
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Re: Opgelost: Toerenteller aansluiten 2.0 Diesel

Berichtdoor Goofy.S » 12 dec 2010, 15:29

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