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OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking : Diesel specifiek W201

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OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

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OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor ScareMercy » 18 aug 2013, 20:27

Hallo,

Ik ben de afgelopen paar dagen bezig geweest met een OM601.911 motor uit 1992.
Deze lekte iets koelvloeistof naar buiten door de achterste hoek van de koppakking.

Na de kop te hebben verwijderd hebben we deze meteen nagemeten en alles wat enige slijtage vertoonde vervangen.
Daarna hebben we de kop met een nieuwe pakking teruggeplaatst en de motor verder ineen gebouwd.

Nu bleek de motor erg te nagelen, en onregelmatig te lopen. We hebben toen de verstuivers opnieuw getest, deze bleken prima te zijn. Toen zijn we naar de pomptiming gaan kijken. Deze klopte niet met de fabrieksgegevens. Na het goed zetten van de pomptiming liep hij nog steeds even slecht.

Ik heb toen gekeken wanneer de pomp afsnij olie geeft op de 1e cilinder. en geprobeerd de motor zo in te stellen dat deze op 24 graden voor OT staat. Vaag genoeg kreeg ik hem niet beter afgesteld als op 21 graden voor OT.

Toen ik de motor toen starte, liep de motor bijna perfect. Na de motor een tijdje te hebben laten lopen en een paar keer gas te geven heb ik hem afgezet, en een kwartier later met een monteur samen nog eens gestart. De monteur gaf 1 keer een beetje gas en de motor begon meteen weer te nagelen, en stopt ook niet meer. Ook niet na het opnieuw starten.

Heeft er iemand enig idee hoe dit zou kunnen?
De ketting kan niet verspringen bij het verwijderen van de kop, dus de pomptiming ook niet. De nokkenas staat dus ook perfect getimed ten opzichte van de krukas. En toch blijft hij nagelen..
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor Mercedes W201 '86 D » 18 aug 2013, 21:38

Bedoel je niet dat de motor tikt? Naar mijn weten hoort een 190 diesel een nagelgeluid te produceren. Tenminste bij mijn 190 hoor ik het altijd, ruim drie jaar in bezit.
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor Paul » 18 aug 2013, 23:12

Je zou Jaap Pul op Urk kunnen bellen...is gespecialiseerd in revisie van Mercedes diesel moteren....weet echt alles
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor Ruub-ster » 19 aug 2013, 10:42

Bekend probleem. Wat voor verstuivers zitten er in? gewoon de originele nog? Je zou eens de zogenaamde 'side cut' van Bosch kunnen proberen ( zo heten ze geloof ik) deze nevelen net wat anders in waardoor het tikken flink minder wordt. Ik zal zo mn pa eens aan z'n jasje trekken want die slaapt en staat op met die motoren.
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor ScareMercy » 19 aug 2013, 16:43

"Wennst den Baum siehst, in den du rein fährst, hast untersteuern.
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor HansMercedes » 19 aug 2013, 20:58

Wat ik weet van een diesel is dat er verschillende diktes kop pakkingen zijn . De kop moet je eigenlijk niet vlakken en je moet even kijken welke pakking er tussen heeft gezeten . grt hans
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor ScareMercy » 19 aug 2013, 22:11

Dit is ook opgemeten, en klopt ook :)
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor Nico190E » 19 aug 2013, 22:24

Al meer dan 23 jaar plezier aan dit oudje, dus genieten.
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor ScareMercy » 19 aug 2013, 22:29

Ja, maar dat kan niets met de vacuum te doen hebben. Je stelt de motor namelijk niet lopend af op die 24 graden, dus is er ook geen vacuum ;)

Het is ook niet de vervroeging die je afsteld. De vervroeging komt nog over die 24 graden heen bij koude motor. Maar deze werkt ook prima. Slaat netjes af als de motor warm wordt
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor Nico190E » 19 aug 2013, 22:51

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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor ScareMercy » 19 aug 2013, 23:09

Ik kom aan die 21 graden in plaats van 24 gradenomdat er geen overlapping is. Als ik de pomp een schakel terug zet heb ik een bereik van 30 graden tot hoger, en op deze schakel van 15 graden tot 21 graden (ongeveer, ik weet de precieze getallen zo niet meer). Het meest in de buurt van de 24 graden kom ik dus met die 21 graden. Hierop moet de motor gewoon goed lopen, maar zal niet zijn volledige vermogen hebben. Daarvoor in de plaats is deze wel iets zuiniger.

Wat jij bedoeld met het vervroegen klopt helemaal, dat is bij een diesel geregeld via een vacuumleiding met een thermoschakelaar naar de achterkant van de dieselpomp. Maar dat is niet relevant bij de basistiming van de pomp. Je kunt de timing niet afstellen met draaiende motor, dus je hebt geen vacuum en dus ook geen vervroeging ;)
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 19 aug 2013, 23:16

In de pomp zit moer die je los kan maken. Hierin kan je een lockpen in draaien die de pomp vast zet.
Dan moet je op 15 graden ATDC staan. Zie document.

In dit document gebruiken ze een kastje met 2 lampjes, maar met die pen lukt het ook. (of een lampje en spiegel)
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0111 - Checking the start of delivery (position sensor RIV method) Engines 601, 602.91, 603.91 (note deviations for off-road vehicles).pdf
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190D 2.5 automaat 1986
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor ScareMercy » 19 aug 2013, 23:19

Dat heb ik gedaan, maar dan loopt de motor nog erg slecht. Bovendien moet ik de ketting dan een schakel verleggen om op die 15 graden te komen , terwijl de ketting niet kan verspringen bij het demonteren van de cilinderkop. Erg vaag dus
"Wennst den Baum siehst, in den du rein fährst, hast untersteuern.
Wennst ihn nur hörst, hast übersteuern"
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Re: OM601 nagelt na vervanging koppakking

Berichtdoor Ruub-ster » 19 aug 2013, 23:46

Nagelt de motor alleen of nagelt hij én loop hij niet lekker stationair? Dat hebben we bij de 190 van mn Pa ook gehad en na lang zoeken bleek de stopmagneet op de brandstofpomp niet helemaal 100% meer te zijn. die vervangen en hij liep perfect rond.

Heb hem nog niet gesproken maar zal m wel ff een mailtje sturen.
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