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Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor CorS » 21 okt 2017, 15:45

Beste forumleden

Ik heb de auto nu ruim een maand ( 190E 1983 ) en na ongeveer 1 km gereden te hebben
valt deze uit. Starten daarna geen probleem en blijft ook lopen
Dat gebeurde eerst met warme motor. Dus na een rit weer opnieuw gaan rijden en dan motor uitval.
Nu ook al met koude motor.
Auto is door de vorige eigenaar de laatste twee jaar bijna niet gebruikt

Heeft iemand een idee waardoor dit komt.

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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Kennytuning » 22 okt 2017, 08:21

Eerlijk gezegd redelijk weinig info om iets uit te kunnen opmaken...
Brandstof relais lijkt mij onwaarschijnlijk.
Hoe is de staat van het benzinefilter? Als deze sterk vervuild is kan je zo'n klachten krijgen.
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Patrick » 22 okt 2017, 17:57

Ik heb hetzelfde probleem gehad. Als de motor koud was, en ik ging rijden viel de motor steevast na ongeveer 1 km uit. Ff doorstarten en weer gaan.
Dit lag toentertijd aan de temperatuur sensor. Na vervanging was het probleem verholpen.
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Nico190E » 22 okt 2017, 19:52

Eens met Patrick hierboven, heb precies hetzelfde gehad voor 4jaar geleden.
Naar de garage gebracht met 650Euro aan onderdelen en uren, maar probleem niet opgelost.

Boekje erbij met de gegevens van de sensor, 's morgens koud gemeten, weerstand okay.
Starten, warm draaien en sputteren, allemaal zwarte rook, dus motor in noodloop.
Weerstand sensor gemeten, oneindig hoog, dus van binnen defect, andere gehaald en erin gezet.

Geen problemen meer sinds de sensor wisseling, iets van 35Euro bij Mercedes garage.
Al meer dan 23 jaar plezier aan dit oudje, dus genieten.
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Bastian-Hoen » 23 okt 2017, 17:35

dat is bij de injectie inderdaad dan vaak het geval (defecte sensors)
maar ik gok dat deze auto een carburateur heeft
en die heeft dan waarschijnlijk ook geen brandstof relais
wat ik al vaak gelezen heb zit er een membraan in die vaak ook dit soort problemen geven
http://www.fulica.nl (sorry nog steeds weinig foto's
let op wij zijn geen bedrijf ( de classics) maar wij zijn bezig met een hobby
in een mooie grote sleutel hal in Doetinchem

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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Prometheus » 24 okt 2017, 09:59

Er wordt gesproken over een 190E, dus injectie

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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Patrick » 24 okt 2017, 18:49

En vorderingen gemaakt? ;)
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor CorS » 29 okt 2017, 22:33

Bedankt voor het meedenken.
Auto gaat november naar Mercedes specialist.
Neem dan ook de reacties mee en ik hoop niet dat ik Nico
ga overtreffen met zijn nota.
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor CorS » 03 jul 2018, 11:21

Besten forum leden

Wij zijn inmiddels al een paar maanden verder maar het probleem is nog steeds niet opgelost
Het is niet het brandstof relais, temperatuur sensor, brandstofpomp etc
Wel record aan kosten gevestigd

Nu kon het de k jetronic wel eens zijn
Auto heeft twee jaar stilgestaan en nu is het vermoeden dat eea vervuild is
Maar ja daar hangt ook weer een prijskaartje aan
Ik weet het even niet meer want steeds zou het wat anders kunnen zijn

Wat wel opvalt is dat de auto bij 120km p/u ook uitvalt maar bij gasgeven weer oppakt
Bij lage snelheden vaak uitval
Uit parkeerstand weg rijden en kort daarna uitval

Heeft iemand nog een idee

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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Vlim » 03 jul 2018, 13:25

Accumulator bij de brandstofpomp inwendig lek.
Geeft ook van die maffe uitvalverschijnselen.
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 03 jul 2018, 14:08

altijd feest als je met een Benz bent weg geweest
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor CorS » 03 jul 2018, 22:35

Bedankt voor het meedenken
Hierbij een aanvulling

Het brandstoffilter is vervangen
Contactslot / elektra nagekeken
Bougies vervangen en bekabeling gecontroleerd
Tevens alle v snaren vervangen en filters en olie

Eigenlijk weten ze het ook niet meer.

Wat mij nu wordt geadviseerd is een toevoeging in de tank te doen om de injectoren te reinigen

Heeft iemand daar ervaring mee en wat wordt daarvoor aanbevolen.
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Bastian-Hoen » 04 jul 2018, 20:41

die toevoeging is leuk maar geloof niet dat het helpt
je kan er wel weer andere problemen door krijgen om dan troep op verkeerde plek kan komen en niet via je injectoren er uit gaat

heb je het filtertje wat in de spinnen kop zit na gekeken?
als je de benzine aanvoer slang volgt kom je bij een koperen warteltje uit hier zit het filter in
is je systeem druk wel voldoende moet rond de 7 bar liggen
als deze te laag is gaan je injectoren niet open

nieuwe injectoren zijn niet goedkoop maar niet extreem duur vergeet de rubber seal niet mee te bestellen
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor CorS » 22 jul 2018, 12:02

Beste forum leden,

Auto is in onderhoud geweest bij Mercedes dealer.
Laatste keer bij André Boer Mercedes specialist.

Brandstof relais is vervangen
Pomp is ook vervangen
Welke temperatuur sensor moest vervangen worden en waar zit deze sensor
Er zitten een paar sensoren op het motorblok
Volgens mij zijn er meer temperatuur sensoren

Auto heeft een stelschroef

Er wordt nog een andere accumulator gemonteerd deze week en daarbij worden de adviezen die jullie hebben
gegeven meegenomen in het verder onderzoek

Helaas zelf geen technisch inzicht en dat maakt het wel lastig.

Voor een rotonde of afslag laat je gas los en daarna geef je weer gas en gelijk daarna valt auto uit.
Vooral in het begin van de rit komt dit voor.
Bij hogere snelheid voel je dat auto inhoud, maar weer oppakt en niet uitvalt

Even een stukje rijden geeft wat spanning je kijkt bij elke rotonde en afslag in de spiegel of er auto’s achter je rijden.
Heb er al bijna iemand achterop gehad. Je staat gelijk stil ( automaat) geen remlichten dus mensen reageren
nogal heftig.

Wordt vervolgt...
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor CorS » 22 jul 2018, 12:07

Zie foto
Welke sensoren zijn dit
Bijlagen
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor CorS » 22 jul 2018, 12:09

Dit is foto van ook een 190E
Niet mijn auto
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Bastian-Hoen » 22 jul 2018, 12:10

hoe is de bedrading die naar de bobine loopt ?
zijn de connectors onder de zekeringskast al schoon gemaakt
ook het elektrische deel van het contact slot kan dit soort dingen veroorzaken

volgens mij mis je een vacuum slang op de censor is nu afgedopt
ik heb het nieuwer systeem dus voor deze censors zou je even andere forum leden lief aan moeten kijken
http://www.fulica.nl (sorry nog steeds weinig foto's
let op wij zijn geen bedrijf ( de classics) maar wij zijn bezig met een hobby
in een mooie grote sleutel hal in Doetinchem

beschikken over EPC van Wensink
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Re: Motor valt uit na ongeveer 1 km

Berichtdoor Bastian-Hoen » 23 jul 2018, 16:11

oja sorry overheen gelezen :blush:
http://www.fulica.nl (sorry nog steeds weinig foto's
let op wij zijn geen bedrijf ( de classics) maar wij zijn bezig met een hobby
in een mooie grote sleutel hal in Doetinchem

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