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Inbouwen gasinstallatie

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Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor FerryB » 28 sep 2011, 23:34

Mijn 190 benzine automaat 2.0 uit 1984 heeft 275.000 km gelopen.
Is het technisch verantwoord, om daar nu bij deze kmstand nog LPG in te laten bouwen.
Ik kan me zo voorstellen, dat na zolang op benzine te hebben gereden, het geen succes zal zijn.

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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor VmaX » 29 sep 2011, 11:00

Gastechnisch maakt het geen moer uit of je een 100K of 300K op je teller hebt staan. (volgens mijn gasinstallateur)
Je moet je alleen afvragen of je blok nog genoeg kilometers meegaat om de investering rendabel te maken. Een 2.0E W201 blok kan verrassend veel kilometers mee gezien de km standen die je in sommige advertenties ziet, maar ik denk dat je met 275K op de teller toch langzamerhand volgens de kansberekening meer risico loopt op technische problemen en motoruitval.
Maar ja dan kan je er natuurlijk altijd nog een revisieblok inlepelen en de gasinstallatie overbouwen B)
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor VmaX » 29 sep 2011, 11:02

Ik lees trouwens net dat je die oto al 20 jaar hebt, dan weet je ook heel precies hoe er mee gereden is en hoe het onderhoud is geweest en ben je zelf de beste expert om de betrouwbaarheid van je blok in te schatten ;)
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 29 sep 2011, 11:26

Als je de auto al 20 jaar hebt, hoe vaak heb je de kleppen moeten bijstellen?
Als je kleppen vaak zijn bijgesteld, kan je op het einde zitten, en met gas zullen je kleppen sneller slijten.

Als je kleppen nog niet vaak zijn bijgesteld, en je hebt nu nog genoeg vermogen, lijkt me gas geen probleem.
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor HansMercedes » 29 sep 2011, 21:22

Ik heb het ooit bij een auto meegemaakt dat na het gas inbouwen de motor geen trekkracht meer had na verloop van tijd [alle kool weggebrand] dus geen compressie meer . toen zuigerveren vervangen en de cylinderkop opgeknapt en ben er mijn hele dienstijdmee op en neer gereden naar havelte in drente en totaal geen last meer gehad grt hans
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor FerryB » 29 sep 2011, 22:10

Ik heb de auto inderdaad al 20 jaar. Een jaar of drie geleden is de kop afgevlakt en zijn er harde kleppen in geplaatst. Dit na aanleiding van een lekke koppakking.

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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor HansMercedes » 29 sep 2011, 23:01

Als er nu al hardere kleppen inzitten kan je er volgens mij gewoon gas inbouwen
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor DinoTriumph » 30 sep 2011, 07:36

Ik rij zelf ook op LPG 190E 86. De kleppen hebben iets meer te verduren omdat de verbranding iets heter is, maar nu de kop geopereerd is lijkt mij niet dat je daar problemen hebt te verwachten.
Ik heb ook een Triumph 6cyl. uit 1973 die al 2 LPGsystemen heeft versleten in ruim 190.000km. LPG ingebouwd met 160.000. Alleen geharde klepzittingen geplaatst toendertijd.

Kunstje is: Altijd starten op benzine, paar km rijden en dan omschakelen. Zorg verder dat de installatie goed wordt afgeregeld.

Ik verstook 7,7 ct LPG per kilometer in mijn 190 en het rijdt echt super alleen iets goedkoper.

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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor VmaX » 30 sep 2011, 08:52

7,7 cent per km?
Netjes.
Ik doe 8.2 cent LPG per km gemiddeld heb ik berekend over een paar tanks.
Maar dan rij ik ook meestal "licht pittig" en heb een 2.3 blok.

Maar over dat verbruik...
Ik start ook altijd op Benzine en pas als ik een eindje op pad ben en een keer gas geef dan schakelt het systeem over op LPG ipv Benzine. Nou moest ik gisteren gas tanken en was inmiddels ook de benzinetank zo goed als leeg dus heb ik die ook maar weer even volgegooid :pinch: (ouch, duur)
Dat was de eerste keer in pak hem beet 7000 km dat ik benzine weer bij moest vullen (45 liter)
maar dat betekend dus wel dat ik 0,0064 L benzine per km gebruik bovenop de LPG.
0,0064L X €1,7 = ~ €0,01/km Dus: moet je op je LPG gebruik een cent bij op tellen door het verbruik van je benzine.

Ergo, ik verbruik dus 9,2 cent/km

Maar ja rijdend op benzine is dat dik 16 ct/km en op diesel ook rond de 9 ct/km dus op LPG zit je wel nog steeds wel aardig goed. 8-)

En oh ja, back on topic, ik heb met de standaard kop (2.3-8) inmiddels 15K km op gas gereden (bliok had 120K op teller) en uren lang vol op het orgel op de Duitse autobahn en de kleppen zitten er nog steeds in 8-)
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor MercedesFTW » 30 sep 2011, 10:51

reed ik maar 16ct de liter.
ik doe dik 22ct
en dan heb ik het ook nog over duits tarief benzine

buitenwijk,kranten.... :ohmy:
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor VmaX » 30 sep 2011, 11:12

Das een verschil van 13 ct/km met LPG.
Dan hoef je maar 7692 kilometer te rijden op een gasinstallatie om de kosten van € 1.000,- van een LPG inbouw er weer uit te krijgen :blink:
Daarna bespaar je flink.
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor MercedesFTW » 30 sep 2011, 11:49

wie leent mij 1000 euri? :P :woohoo:
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor VmaX » 30 sep 2011, 12:37

Als je contractueel bevestigd, 50% van je besparing na terugbetaling door middel van de terugverdienperiode, tot in lengte der dagen overdraagt aan de financier is er vast wel een geldverstrekker voor te vinden .. :lol:
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor MercedesFTW » 30 sep 2011, 12:40

das een hele mond vol :mrgreen:
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor DinoTriumph » 30 sep 2011, 12:45

Ik zou gewoon 7692 kilometer (volgens VMAX) gaan fietsen, dan betaal je het uit je achterzak. ;)
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

Berichtdoor MercedesFTW » 02 okt 2011, 01:24

kosten van 't ziekenhuis zullen dan hoger liggen :huh: :woohoo:
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Re: Inbouwen gasinstallatie

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