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Compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten. : Diesel specifiek W201

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Compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Specifieke zaken omtrent het rijden op diesel, met de W201 kunnen hier geplaatst worden zodat we alle zaken omtrent diesel hier verzameld hebben staan.

Compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor MOTTI » 31 jan 2011, 20:27

iedere keer als de motor koud is bij het starten (start in 1x goed) gaat een dikke blauwe wolk de lucht in(alleen stationair),bij de Bosch specialist laten uitlezen, hij heeft de verstuivers laten reinigen de rook wordt minder als ik een stukje mee heb gereden . hij constateerde nu dat de compressie van 1 cilinder op 2.0 bar staat terwijl de anderen op 2.2 , 2.3 en 2.9 bar uitkomen.
ik moet wel bijvertellen dat ik dit jaar al 1250 euro uitgegeven aan onderhoud: koppakking set, klepdekselpakking, handremkabel, hulpcilinderkoppeling, gloeibougies, accu, dieselpomp rubbers vervangen. en de grote beurt pas gegeven met apk.Rest mij alleen nog een andere motorblok te zoeken,
ik blijf hier mee rijden tot deze motorblok dood gaat !en dan een ander motorblok zoeken of zo verkopen, ik weet het ook niet meer !
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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor Ruub-ster » 31 jan 2011, 20:49

Dan kun je nog lang blijven rijden, ik heb een donorauto gehad en die stond op 1 motorrubber, liep op 3 cilinders en gloeide niet meer voor.. Niet verrot te krijgen, simpel. Mar op den duur ga je je eraan ergeren.

Er valt niks uit te lezen aan je auto, wel apart dat je zulke verschillen hebt per cilinder!

Kun je eens aan die Bosch specialist vragen op welke druk die verstuivers nu staan ingesteld? daar kan en mag je volgens mb-specificatie's wat mee spelen namelijk. Zitten de originele verstuivers erin? Heb je olie verbruik?

rijdt je veel korte stukjes?
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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor Sonador » 31 jan 2011, 22:01

Klepsteelrubbertjes!
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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor Ruub-ster » 01 feb 2011, 12:40

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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor MOTTI » 01 feb 2011, 14:49

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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor MOTTI » 01 feb 2011, 15:02

Laatst bijgewerkt door MOTTI op 01 feb 2011, 15:13, in totaal 1 keer bewerkt.
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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor MOTTI » 01 feb 2011, 15:09

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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor Ruub-ster » 01 feb 2011, 17:23

Ik ga met Maarten mee, houdt het echt nog wel eventjes uit zo.

En inderdaad, 'even' nieuwe zuigerveren erin flanzen, dan moet toch je kop gevlakt worden voor het mooie.. En als je ook twijfels aan je kop ook verse kleppen. danne.. kun je gelijk heel die cilinderkop laten reviseren en.. ow w8, tis mijn auto niet :huh:

Gewoon -rustig- mee doorkarren. En een ander blok hoeft echt de wereld niet te kosten, je kunt deze mooi houden als een donorblok.
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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor MOTTI » 01 feb 2011, 17:55

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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor MOTTI » 01 feb 2011, 17:57

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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor Japie » 01 feb 2011, 20:42

of het de zuigerveren of de kleppen zijn, kun je zien als je een natte en een droge compressietest doet, als beide testen een verschillend resultaat geven dan zijn het waarschijnlijk de zuigerveren.
Bij een gelijk resultaat zal je het in de kop moeten zoeken (kleppen /pakking)
Je schrijft dat de pakking vervangen is, maar is de kop toen ook gevlakt?(niet met schuurpapier :lol: )
Ergens ben je nergens.
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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor HansMercedes » 01 feb 2011, 20:55

En wat ook verstandig had geweest toen je die kop er af had is om gelijk de kleppen schoon te maken cq weer opnieuw in te schuren en de klepsteel rubbers te vervangen . grt hans
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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor MOTTI » 02 feb 2011, 15:45

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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor MOTTI » 02 feb 2011, 15:52

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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor Vinnievw » 02 feb 2011, 20:24

De compressie die je noemt is inderdaad wel erg laag, de compressie moet tussen de 26 en 32 bar liggen en mag minstens 18 bar bedragen. Tussen de cilinders onderling mag geen verschil zitten van meer dan 3 bar.

Overigens is het wel uitzonderlijk dat een OM601 overlijdt aan compressieverlies, hoeveel kilometer heeft de motor gelopen? Voor wat betreft de reparatie: ik zou niet alleen de zuigerveren vervangen maar ook de cilinders laten uithonen en overmaatszuigers plaatsen en de krukaslagers + drijfstanglagers vervangen als je de boel toch open hebt. Ik denk alleen dat qua kosten een ruilmotor interessanter is.
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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

Berichtdoor Sonador » 03 feb 2011, 21:42

Is er niet een te dikke koppaking gemonteerd?

Dit resulteert ook in compressieverlies!

die van mij rookt ook blauw s'ochtends (eventjes met starten), meeste oude diesels doen dat wel!

Dit komt door versleten klepsteelrubbers, ook kan er teveel ruimte zitten tussen de klepsteel en de geleiders, dan kan je wel nieuwe rubbertjes erin gedaan maar dan zijn ze zo kapot!

Ook dit leidt tot compressie verlies.

Toen de kop eraf was, hebben ze niet de boel opgemeten?
Ook niet het onderblok?
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Re: compressie 190 Diesel! blauwe rookwolk tijdens starten.

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