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W201Club.nl • 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lopen.. : Diesel specifiek W201
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190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lopen..

BerichtGeplaatst: 05 feb 2013, 22:56
door MikeBenz
ik Heb sinds kort een 190D en nou heb ik het volgende probleem.. zodra ik hem voor de eerste x van de dag start / na paar uur weer start eerst pollen gas geven voordat die blijft lopen / stationair lopen.. nou had ik ergens gezien op dit forum maar weet alleen niet meer waar -.-'' dat er op de cillinderkop een sensor zit waar een vacuum slangetje op zit.. ik denk dat het hier aan ligt.. gloeipluggen zijn net alle 5 vervangen

alvast bedankt!

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 05 feb 2013, 23:26
door Larry
bekabeling van de gloeibougies waren in orde? Zekeringen ook? Het lijkt toch echt op een voorgloeiprobleem.... filters al vervangen? anders misschien een sensor maar weet niet of dit ook voor diesel zo is...

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 feb 2013, 07:58
door Prometheus
De sensor die je bedoeld zorgt alleen maar voor een verhoogd stationair toerental zolang de motortemperatuur onder de 30 graden is. Zelfs als deze defect zou zijn, zou starten geen probleem moeten zijn.
Als er na het starten sprake is van rook met alle kleuren van de regenboog (wit, blauw en zwart) heb je absoluut een . Is het voorgloeirelais nog in orde ?

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 feb 2013, 12:07
door MikeBenz
Heb geen idee of voorgloeirelais nog goed is.. hoe kan ik dit testen??

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 feb 2013, 15:10
door Prometheus
Daarom had ik hier een link van gemaakt: .

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 feb 2013, 21:25
door Ludas28
als ie na 2 x voorgloeien beter start, zit daar het probleem

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 12 feb 2013, 18:19
door Jellejan
Omdat die van mij dezelfde kenmerken heeft, heb ik de controles uitgevoerd uit het artikel van Ruud.
Het volgende heb ik hieruit geconstateerd:
- Gloeien bij cilinder 2 gaat niet goed;
- Bij het testen van het relais kom ik op 11,7 volt terwijl mijn accu 12,34 aangeeft.

Daarom heb ik de volgende vragen:
1) Hoe is de cilindervolgorde op de MO602 (5-cilinder met turbo), en waar zit dus cilindernummer 2?

2) Is die 11,7 volt voldoende voor het relais?

3) Bij Brezan kan ik NGK D-power gloeibougies kopen (ca. € 15,25 incl BTW per stuk). Heeft iemand hier ervaring mee en wat zijn die?

4) Ik wil eigenlijk alleen deze ene gloeibougie vervangen. Wat zijn de voors en tegens erbij om er maar 1 te vervangen?

Alvast dank.

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 12 feb 2013, 19:00
door Larry
punt 4) voordeel: je bent goedkoper uit. Wat goed is, is goed Nadeel: Als de andere 3 oud zijn en er al 1 stuk is kan het zijn dat de anderen ook snel stuk zullen gaan waardoor je weer problemen krijgt, en je weer alles met demonteren iedere keer. Hier gaat ook tijd inzitten dus is het vaak makkelijker en beter (en ja zo gek duur is het ook weer niet) om alles in 1 keer te doen..

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 13 feb 2013, 09:49
door Prometheus
- Gloeien bij cilinder 2 gaat niet goed; -> vervangen dus; NGK's zijn prima kaarsjes
- Bij het testen van het relais kom ik op 11,7 volt terwijl mijn accu 12,34 aangeeft; -> De 11,7 op de gloeiers t.o.v. de 12,3 is prima want er is altijd een klein spanningsverlies over het relais. Een gezonde volle 12V-accu geeft in de regel echter 13,8V spanning, dus 12,3 volt lijkt een (bijna) lege accu of 1 die aan vervanging toe is.
-waar zit dus cilindernummer 2 OM602.961 ? Vanaf de voorkant van de auto gezien de tweede
-alleen deze ene gloeibougie vervangen; -> Daar los je nu het probleem mee op, maar, zoals Larry opmerkt, dan blijf je op een bepaald moment aan de gang. Gaat er 1, kun je donder op zeggen dat de andere binnenkort volgen :mrgreen:

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 18 feb 2013, 13:42
door Jellejan
Dank voor jullie reacties!
Inmiddels heb ik het volgende gedaan:
- Heb de gloeispiralen besteld via taxiteile en kreeg ze met 3 dagen binnen (merk Bosch);
- Alle 5 gloeispiralen vervangen zonder de luchtinlaat te verwijderen. Hier wel de tijd voor genomen en was met 3 uur klaar (veel tijd zat in het "prutsen", creatief zijn met en het proberen van diverse dopsleutelcombi's, en buurtgenoten die even een kijkje kwamen nemen ;-)).

Resultaat:
- Best wel trots dat het mij zo gelukt is ;-)
- Een goed startende Benz die ook koud heel snel aanslaat zonder dat ik gas bij moet geven en zonder een blauw-zwarte wolk bij de start.

Re: 190D 2.5 start slecht / blijft als die koud is niet lope

BerichtGeplaatst: 21 feb 2013, 10:55
door Ruub-ster
Geef toe.. Die blauwe rookwolk was toch stiekem wel leuk :mrgreen: