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Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 08 sep 2021, 12:00
door Engelen1994
Het zijn ook niet de slimste bij de dealer, dat heb ik al ondervonden, haha. Ik ga het eens via internet proberen en hopen dat dit wel de juiste is. Nogmaals bedankt voor je hulp.

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 22 sep 2021, 13:49
door Engelen1994
Ondertussen ben ik een beetje ten einde raad. +-10 verschillende hardyschijven zijn er nu al besteld en geretourneerd, geen een past onder mijn auto. Het is me met hulp van Max dus duidelijk geworden dat er een andere automaatbak onder mijn auto zit. Op basis daarvan heeft Max mij een chassisnummer kunnen bezorgen, en op basis daarvan de onderdeelnummers voor de hardyschijven. Helaas allebei niet passend.

Op mijn eigen chassisnummer en het chassisnummer van de donorauto waarvan de automaatbak is heb ik hardyschijven besteld, namelijk deze:
- A124 410 00 15 (besteld op chassisnummer WDB2010241F358087)
- A124 411 04 15 (besteld op chassisnummer WDB2010241F700951)
- A124 410 06 15 (besteld op chassisnummer WDB2010241F700951)

Daarnaast heb ik de hardyschijf met FEBI fabrikantcode 03929 (en OEM nummer A201 410 10 15) ook gepast. Volgens de website van winparts (https://www.winparts.nl/onderstel-aandr ... 27180.html) zou deze schijf een steek moeten hebben van 80mm, echter is deze steek 70mm (zie foto 1 en 2). De rest van de afmetingen kloppen allemaal met de hardyschijf die ik er nu onder heb zitten. Ik heb dus eigenlijk deze hardyschijf nodig, alleen dan 80mm i.p.v. 70mm. De hardyschijf op foto 2 is dus de nieuwe waarvan de steekmaat niet klopt!

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Foto 1: Steek volgens winparts (80mm)
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Foto 2: Daadwerkelijke steek (70mm)
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Ik zoek nu dus een hardyschijf met de volgende afmetingen/specificaties:
Buitendiameter: 123mm (zie foto 3)
Binnendiameter: 33mm (zie foto 4)
Steek inwendig: 80mm (zie foto 5)
Steek uitwendig: 70 mm (zie foto 6)
Gewicht: +- 0,7kg (zie foto 7)

De hardyschijf op foto 3 t/m foto 7 is de hardyschijf die ik er nu onder heb zitten en waarvoor ik een nieuwe zoek!

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Wie o wie kan mij helpen mijn lange zoektocht naar de juiste hardyschijf te beëindigen en kan me vertellen welke hardyschijf ik nodig heb?? Even voor de duidelijkheid nog; er staat geen onderdeelnummer op de hardyschijf en de dealer kan alleen bestellen op chassisnummer, dus niet op afmetingen. Naar de dealer gaan met deze afmetingen heb ik dus helaas niets aan. Hopend op jullie hulp!

Alvast ontzettend bedankt!

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 22 sep 2021, 17:36
door MBreed
Ik moet eerlijk zeggen dat ik ondertussen ook niet meer snap waarom dit zo ingewikkeld is. Nu is het wel zo dat bestellen op zo'n grote onderdelensite op onderdeelnummer of chassisnummer niet altijd tot het juiste onderdeel leidt.

Het enige wat ik je nog kan aanbieden is dat je eens langs te komt met die oude schijf. Wij hebben best wat op voorraad liggen en dan kunnen we even het e.e.a. vergelijken. Als ze alleen de bak hebben gewisseld moet dat nummer dat ik opgeef goed zijn. Ik zie daarin geen andere mogelijkheid. Uiteraard kunnen ze meer gewisseld hebben, zoals de flens, maar dan wordt het wel een heel raar verhaal.

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 22 sep 2021, 18:56
door Engelen1994
Ik ga morgen nog eens met de schijf naar de plaatselijke dealer in duitsland, wellicht dat ze daar wat meer verstand hebben dan de dealer waar ik normaal ga. Ik vind het zelf ook een raar verhaal en snap er nog vrij weinig van. Waar zit jij als je het hebt over langskomen? Ben wel bereid de nodige km's te maken om duidelijkheid te krijgen. Bedankt weer voor je reactie.

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 22 sep 2021, 20:49
door WJ15129

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 23 sep 2021, 07:37
door Engelen1994

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 23 sep 2021, 15:32
door MBreed

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 24 sep 2021, 09:27
door Engelen1994
Dat is helaas helemaal aan de andere kant van het land, ik woon namelijk in zuid-limburg. Maar, mijn vraag is via de plaatselijke onderdelenzaak neergelegd bij de vertegenwoordiger van Febi. Afwachten op de reactie dus.

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 29 sep 2021, 13:02
door Engelen1994
Dussss, de mensen bij Febi kunnen dus ook alleen maar op nummertjes zoeken en niet op afmetingen. Gisteren naar Duitsland geweest waar dit hetzelfde verhaal is bij de dealer daar. Waar ik wel achter ben gekomen is dat ik door de speling op de gaten in de hardyschijf de verkeerde afmetingen heb doorgegeven een paar berichten hierboven. Ik moet er blijkbaar eentje hebben met 75mm steekcirkel, zoals op de foto aangegeven.

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Tot op heden nog steeds geen passende schijf gevonden. Wél kwam ik op de site van SGF, de makers van de hardyschijven voor Mercedes en Febi, de volgende schijf tegen: https://shop.sgf.de/en/sgflex-flexible- ... 075.02?c=6. Hierbij klopt de steekcirkel, in tegenstelling tot alle andere hardyschijven op de verschillende onderdelensites, die namelijk allemaal 80mm of 90mm hebben.

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 30 sep 2021, 17:33
door Engelen1994
Weet iemand of de de buiten- en binnendiameter van de voorste hardyschijf mag afwijken in grootte? Waarschijnlijk heb ik qua steekdiameter de juiste gevonden alleen de buiten-en binnendiameter van de hardyschijf zelf is groter dan die wat er momenteel onder zit. Met buiten- en binnendiameter bedoel ik rood en blauw zoals op onderstaande foto.

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 01 okt 2021, 17:57
door Engelen1994
Ik snap er zelf ook helemaal niks meer van, elke schijf die ik thuis heb gehad heb ik of onder de auto gepast of bovenop de oude gelegd en de bouten er doorheen gestoken, steeds komen de gaten niet overeen en krijg ik de bouten er dus ook niet doorheen. Gisteren de auto nog eens op de brug gehad en de steek op de bak zijn kant lijkt 80mm te zijn, terwijl de steek op de as 70mm lijkt. Ook als ik de schijf zelf meet kom ik op ofwel 75mm als ik van hart bout naar hart bout bakzijde meet, ofwel 75mm als ik van hart bout naar hart bout aszijde meet. Nu ben ik er wel achter dat de steek van de voorste hardyschijf schijnbaar gemeten wordt van hart bout bakzijde naar hart bout aszijde, en dan kom ik op 85mm. Wat dus heel frustrerend en raar is want alles wat ik tegenkomen op internet en bij de dealer is of steek 80mm of 90mm, nergens is er 75 of 85 te vinden.

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 02 okt 2021, 07:23
door RichardK
Kun je niet de oude even terug plaatsen en met je MB naar een MB specialist in de buurt rijden en die er even vakkundig naar laten kijken?

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 06 okt 2021, 11:33
door Engelen1994
Bedankt voor je reactie! A.s. dinsdag ga ik langs een Mercedes specialist, hopen dat er dan duidelijkheid komt. Wordt vervolgd.

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 10 feb 2022, 18:55
door Engelen1994
Eindelijk is het probleem omtrent de niet passende hardyschijven een tijdje geleden opgelost. Wat bleek nu, de hardyschijf die ik er onder had zitten was in eerste instantie ook al niet passend. In het verleden, toen de andere automaatbak is gemonteerd, heeft iemand waarschijnlijk op een of andere manier de boutgaten van de hardyschijf uitgerekt cq. uitgelubberd, waarna de hardyschijf op spanning eronder is geplaatst. Dit, om het passend te krijgen aangezien de flens op de automaatbak en de flens op de cardanas niet dezelfde maat hebben (respectievelijk 80mm en 70mm).

Voor de Mercedes-specialist was het ook nog even passen en meten want deze heeft ook een stuk of 4 verschillende hardyschijven geprobeerd, waarvan er geen enkele paste. Na een weekje belde de garage mij op dat de auto klaar was. De oplossing? Simpelweg de flens van de automaatbak vervangen naar de juiste maat, waarna de nieuwe hardyschijf er zonder problemen op paste.

Een verschil van dag en nacht met rijden. Eind goed al goed.

Re: Hulp gezocht! Verkeerde hardyschijf door andere automaat

BerichtGeplaatst: 11 feb 2022, 13:59
door RD500SEC
Mooi dat het is opgelost voor je.
Ook fijn dat je het terug meldt, dat wordt nog al eens vergeten. :handgestures-thumbupleft: