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Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Poorman » 07 feb 2021, 14:26

Beste vrienden,

Sinds de aankoop vind ik bij garagemannen hier geen oplossing voor 't volgende euvel.

1. Bij koudstart zijn er 2 tot 3 lange pogingen nodig alvorens de motor met horten wil beginnen lopen. Daarna kiest de motor het stationair toerental "van-de-dag". Dit toerental varieert tussen 600 to 1300 omw/min. Tot aan het punt dat de motor is warmgereden houdt het toerental "van-de-dag" aan.

2. Vervolgens gaat het toerental bij een tussenstop -zoals een verkeerslicht- veelal kiezen voor een ander toerental (meestal lager). Dit nieuwe stationaire toerental houdt hij aan tot als de motor door me wordt stilgelegd.
Stel dat ik de auto voor wat boodschappen stil leg, en pakweg na 30 min. opnieuw zou starten. Wel, dan kiest hij een nieuw toerental "van-de-dag"....

3. Bij een inhaalmaneuver geef ik soms een flinke dot gas : auto gedraagt zich dan "gesmoord" : wil eerste sekonden niet sneller vooruit, om dan plots ervan door te willen vliegen. (ik las hierover de conversatie "teveel brandstof").

Het zou fantastisch zijn mocht ik dit kunnen oplossen, dus alle inbreng wordt gewaardeerd !

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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 08 feb 2021, 00:46

ke-jetronic-motor-diagnose-start-stationair-problemen-t12148.html

Hier zou je even kunnen kijken, ik heb het idee dat de luchtmassameter het probleem kan zijn.
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Poorman » 08 feb 2021, 08:15

Dank je wel Richard. Dat doe ik gelijk als eerste punt ! Vriendelijke groet, Carlo
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 08 feb 2021, 12:21

Stappenmotor reinigen.
En waarschijnlijk lmm vervangen.
altijd feest als je met een Benz bent weg geweest
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Guppie » 08 feb 2021, 12:42

Dag Carlo,

misschien ook wijsheid om te kijken of de x11 stekker een foutcode geeft, deze worden in percentages weergegeven tussen pin 3 en pin 1: (ronde stekker met afdraaibaar kapje bestuurderskant bij de ABS module) (meten met of dutycycle op multimeter of contacthoekmeter)

Trouble code identification
0% - no earth or voltage supply to the ECM (wiring)
0% - O2 sensor (models with catalyst)
0% - weak mixture (models with catalyst)
10% - closed throttle position switch
20% - wide open throttle position switch
30% - engine coolant temperature sensor, temperature not between 70 and 100 Celsius
40% - Volume air flow sensor
50% - no fault (models without catalyst)
50% - O2 sensor - (models with catalyst)
60% - vehicle speed sensor (dynamic test only)
70% - RPM sensor (engine speed sensor)
80% - Intake air temperature sensor
80% - barometric pressure sensor
90% - differential pressure regulator
95% - overrun cut-off active
100% - no earth or voltage supply to the ECM
100% - O2 sensor control (models with catalyst) - rich mixture
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor KlaasKamminga » 08 feb 2021, 15:52

Hoi Carlo,
in een eerder bericht schreef je dat de verwarming haast niets doet, zou een deel van de problemen kunnen komen van de motor die niet of niet goed opwarmt? Dat evt in combinatie met een injectie die (koud) niet goed werkt? Ik rijd zelf met de carburateurversie, dus kan er verder weinig over zeggen, behalve dat het moeizame koud starten naar mijn idee duidt op een niet functionerende koudstartregeling.
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Poorman » 08 feb 2021, 17:22

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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Poorman » 08 feb 2021, 17:25

Inderdaad Klaas, doch zegt de temperatuurmeter dat hij na enige rijden goed opwarmt. Misschien is de gemene deler de toestand van het vacuum ?
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Poorman » 08 feb 2021, 17:30

Dank je wel Guppie : ik ga deze lijst aan onze garagist van de gezinsauto doorgeven. Deze goede man is prima uitgerust maar werkt enkel aan enkele merken. Met deze lijst hebben we zijn softwares niet nodig, maar wel zijn apparaatje :-)
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor KlaasKamminga » 08 feb 2021, 17:50

Hoi Carlo,
Ik weet niet in hoeverre jouw injektie nog met vacuum aangestuurd wordt, bij mij was dat inderdaad een deel van het probleem bij het koud starten, ik heb toen alle verdroogde vacuumslangen vervangen, dat hielp behoorlijk. In mijn geval heb ik ook het carburateurmembraam vervangen, sindsdien doet hij het prima. Bij jou wordt het wat ingewikkelder denk ik... succes!
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Poorman » 08 feb 2021, 18:44

Dag Klaas, omdat de radiator van de verwarming vervangen moet worden dacht ik met een rookmachinetje ineens al de vacuumleidingen te testen want de leidingen liggen dan, denk ik, allen goed bereikbaar en zo'n situatie met het hele dashboard eruit (is (hoop ik) éénmalig). Maar inderdaad Klaas, of het daar mee kan samenhangen is voor mij absoluut een gok. Ik babbel maar na wat de garagisten hier in de buurt vertelden. Ik ga met plezier wat verslag uitbrengen over de verschillende ervaringen met de tips die ik hier mag krijgen. Bedankt voor je ervaring en ik denk jou aanpak te volgen : leidingen vervangen na +30 j.
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Guppie » 08 feb 2021, 20:28

Over dat met die matige verwarming: er zit een vacuümaangestuurde afsluiter aan de passagiers kant ongeveer achter de accu, onder het rooster van de ruitenwisser. Deze kan blijven klemmen, waardoor er geen water door de radiator stroomt. En dus geen / matige verwarming.

Is behoorlijk veel minder werk / kosten dan radiator vervangen. Die zou ik pas doen (en heb ik gedaan) als die lekt. Buizen zijn redelijk groot, verstopping is onwaarschijnlijk, eerder een Volkswagen probleem (zie ook plaatje)
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Poorman » 09 feb 2021, 12:01

Hallo Guppie, goedemiddag.
Dank u voor de reactie! Heb over die vacuumgestuurde afsluiter een poos terug wat gezien op Youtube. Kanaal van Mercedessource (Ken Bergsma). Er is ook een testmethode beschreven. Maar die methode veronderstelde testgereedschap (DIY-toestel). Dus ben ik lekker lui geweest en een check-up bij de oliewissel in de garage gevraagd. Ik zou bijna zeggen : "helaas, het ding werkte goed" ;).
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor RD500SEC » 09 feb 2021, 17:55

Voordat je die kachelradiator eruit gaat of laat prutsen, spoel de radiator eens door, je kunt vanuit de motorruimte de slangen redelijk goed bereiken en loshalen om dat te doen.
Die radiator wisselen is serieus veel werk. Maar als het moet, dan moet het.
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Poorman » 09 feb 2021, 19:55

Doe ik ! (Zodra koning winter effe niet kijkt).
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Guppie » 09 feb 2021, 20:53

Dag Carlo,

Het filmpje van Kent beschrijft het koelsysteem op druk zetten zodat je naar lekkages kunt luisteren. Daarmee kun je niet testen of de klep vast zit of niet. Alleen of die lekt. Demonteren en kijken is de enige mogelijkheid om dat te checken. Uurtje werk ongeveer.

Als die klep dicht zit kun je vanzelfsprekend de radiator ook niet spoelen.

Het kan ook zijn dat de klep bediend wordt als de kachel aan staat: meteen even met lopende motor checken of er vacuüm op de slang naar de klep staat met de kachel aan. (dat mag namelijk niet, klep zit dan dicht)
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Re: Wisselend stationair toerental/start W201 2.0E

Berichtdoor Poorman » 10 feb 2021, 09:33

Dank u Guppie; doe ik! En ik laat iets weten natuurlijk.
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