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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Prometheus » 09 jun 2016, 12:31

Ingewikkeld is het niet:

- motor uit, contact af, verwarmingskranen staan nu ' open'
- oude vloeistof middels aftapkraan of dmv demontage ' onderste' radiatorslang (afhankelijk van het type auto bij bv de radiateur of waterpomp uit het systeem laten lopen
- aftapkraan of whatever weer dicht, motor evt. af laten koelen tot 50 C of lager (dat gaat vrij snel i.v.m. afwezigheid koelvloeistof)
- als je nu toch bezig bent met een service, kun je nu bv prima ff je motorolie/filter verversen :lol:
- kraanwater met reinigingsmiddel of 10% oplossing van citroenzuur in water (1 kg op 10 liter) en via het expansievat het koelsysteem vullen . Het systeem ontlucht zich grotendeels zelf via de retourslang naar het expansievat en door af en toe te knijpen in de radiateurslangen komt de meeste lucht er wel uit. Bovendien hoeft systeem (nog) niet volledig ontlucht te worden; het gaat nog om spoelen.
- Verwarming vol 'open' ofwel op hoogste stand zetten
- motor laten warm draaien tot bedrijfstemperatuur ~ 80 C (bij voorkeur stukje rijden of 10 minuten stationair)
- vloeistof weer aftappen. Ideaal is om nu de aftapbout onder het uitlaatspruitstuk uit het blok te draaien, dan loopt het systeem echt goed leeg.
- aftapkraan / bout / whatever weer dicht en motor weer af laten koelen
- je bent toch bezig, dus bandenspanning, ruitensproeiervloeistof, oliepeil, luchtfilter etc. etc. ;)
- 2 X systeem weer vullen en weer aftappen met kraanwater maar de motor niet helemaal naar bedrijfstemperatuur brengen want er hoeft alleen nagespoeld te worden en moeten tevens voorkomen dat het kraanwater demineraliseerd.
- Controleer even op lekkages, bv bij thermostaathuis en de aansluitingen op het kachelhuis onder het dashboard.
- vullen met MB 325.0 koelvloeistof en evt. gedemineraliseerd water (tot de juiste mengverhouding zoals vermeld op de verpakking van de koelvloeistof)
- Stukje rijden en goed op temperatuur laten komen; koelwater niveau controleren en evt. bijvullen
- Verwarming kan weer op de gewenste stand gezet worden.

Bij het reinigen met de citroenzuur / kraanwater oplossing vindt er in de warme motor uiteraard ook demineralisatie van het kraanwater plaats, maar dat wordt direct opgelost door het citroenzuur.
Zelf laat ik het blok afkoelen met de oplossing erin, dat duurt wat langer, maar zoals ik al zei, meestal zijn er wel meer dingen te doen en je kunt de oplossing idd gewoon een nachtje laten zitten.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 09 jun 2016, 14:13

Duidelijke uitleg dank daarvoor.
Lekker laten zitten een nachtje dan.
Kan het goed losweken.
Dan zaterdag weer verwarmen.
Dan zal het wel goed zijn.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 09 jun 2016, 14:32

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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 09 jun 2016, 15:29

Ik op zeker bram.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 09 jun 2016, 15:40

Laat weten hoe je die stop los hebt gekregen.
Anti vries of koelvloeistof ;)
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 09 jun 2016, 15:54

Antivries bij stern.
Zou die bout zo vast zitten dan bram?
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 09 jun 2016, 16:02

Ik zal het je maar gewoon zeggen.

Heb het eerder niet voor niets geschreven.
Los "proberen" te draaien van die stop is een zeer slecht advies.

Ik zeg dit omdat ik hem er ook uit probeerde te halen.

Geen idee hoe jij het moet doen maar op de grond is het onmogelijk, en geloof mij, dat zeg ik niet zo snel.
De stop heeft afgeronde hoeken waardoor een passende sleutel eraf glijdt.
Je kunt er vanaf de grond niet bij omdat hij onder het spruitstuk zit. Ook omdat je dan geen kracht kunt zetten.

Het was een historische gebeurtenis. Ik heb het gevraagd aan de jongens van de Hobbyhut in Zutphen. Ik woon in Frankrijk, niet in Staphorst. Er is dus iets voor nodig geweest eer ik dit vroeg aan Hans van de Hobbyhut.

Daar stond de auto op de brug en ze kregen hem niet los.
De lasbrander is er aan te pas gekomen om hem los te kunnen hakken. Hij kon er dus nooit meer in want, kapot gehakt om hem er uit te kunnen krijgen.

Hij hoefde er bij mij niet meer in want ik heb er een hitte element in "laten" zetten.

Vraag het maar aan Hans, die zal het nooit meer vergeten. Hans is anderhalf uur aan het hakken geweest, ik dacht dat het nooit meer goed zou komen.

Maar als iemand hem er graag uit wil halen, succes ermee.
Zeg niet dat je hier niet gewaarschuwd bent.

Hierbij een bestandje met een plaatje van de plek waar hij zit.

Het is ook allemaal niet zo spannend. Maak of een slang los of draai het kraantje onder aan de radiateur open.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 09 jun 2016, 16:30

Dank je voor de waarschuwing.
We gaan het bekijken.
Het is dus de achterste bout.
Is goed dat je de tekening heb laten zien.
Ik dacht dat er maar één zat namelijk.
Waarom zouden de hoeken afgerond zijn eigenlijk?
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 09 jun 2016, 16:36

Geen idee Richard, maar je kunt hem niet goed pakken.
Normaal gesproken draai je dat ding er natuurlijk nooit uit.
Bovendien zitten ze bij onze auto's 20 jaar of langer vast.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 09 jun 2016, 17:26

Ik heb zojuist gekeken naar de bout.
Er zit er bij mij dus echt maar één.
Hierbij ook een foto gemaakt.
Hij zit bij cilinder 4.
Dus lekker achterin.
Maar hij is echt wel hoekig.
Naar mijn idee het proberen waard.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor BoyBenzdorp » 09 jun 2016, 20:31

Ik heb nog nooit een probleem gehad de aftapbout los te krijgen. Er komt wel 1 liter uit. Dus die moet ook gewoon los. Anders krijg je niet alles er uit. Vandaag 2 kilo citroenzuur gehaald, 5 euri

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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 09 jun 2016, 20:36

Dat is niet duur .
Ik betaal 9 voor 800 gram
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 10 jun 2016, 04:52

Desbetreffende persoon bij Mercedes vertelde mij dat ik op een fles van 2 liter antivries 1 liter water moest doen.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 10 jun 2016, 17:00

Bout is los.
En dat zonder problemen.
Kwam nog een hoop vloeistof uit.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Knuffelbeer » 10 jun 2016, 18:19

En toen kwam je er achter dat er een klein lekje zit in de radiateur.
Dus eerst maar even een andere bestellen.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor B.B.I.L. » 10 jun 2016, 20:58

Vanavond al een beetje bezig geweest met het systeem te spoelen.
Bij mijn blok (M103) nog op zoek gegaan naar de aftapbout. Onder cilinder 5 een bout gevonden met een soort tuutje er aan.
Is dat de aftapbout voor de koelvloeistof?

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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor B.B.I.L. » 10 jun 2016, 21:03

Deze bout dus.....is dit misschien net zo´n soort bout als bij de remklauwen om de remvloeistof door te trekken een zogenaamde ´bleeder´, maar dan flink waten maten groter?? Als dat zo is zou ik er een slang op kunnen zetten, open draaien en de koelvloeistof middels de slang netjes opvangen in een bak.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Bram Jansen » 10 jun 2016, 21:33

Prometheus heeft er ook vast een plaatje van.
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Re: Hoe koelsysteem volledig flushen?

Berichtdoor Silverstar » 11 jun 2016, 08:38

Zoek geen xtra "werk" op!

Als je de koelvloeistof elke 3 jaar ververst.
Is de motor gewoon schoon van binnen.

Als je toch wil spoelen!
Spoel dan met "nieuwe" koelvloeistof.
Draai het kraantje open (rood) en laat de koelvloeistof eruit lopen.
Kijk hoeveel eruit is gekomen en vul dit met "nieuwe" vloeistof bij.
Rij er een week mee rond, en herhaal deze handeling nog een keer.

Tip:
Als je de motor gevuld heb, zet je de auto met 2 wielen op de stoeprand.
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